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1. noober+kH[view] [source] 2018-09-12 02:29:31
>>tysone+(OP)
It's not like meritocracy is completely unrelated to real life, it matters in a certain regime. However, if like Vanessa, you're born to lesser circumstances, you just cannot escape poverty by just working harder. Similarly, if you are born to very well off standards, even if you're a dope and spend money from Dad's inheritance on cocaine, sure, you won't be successful but you'll still have a net of some kind. You can always improve your lot, but where you start has a large impact on how much of phase space you can reach, so to say.

I think the mentality is shifting a little as millenials and gen z are slowly letting go of the meritocratic myth, but blaming internal motivations more than context is a problem in the American conception of the world we still suffer from as a nation. The inability of us to accept that our actions are not the only determining things in our lives seriously limit our ability to fully comprehend the world and how it really works which leads us to thinking ideas like work requirements are actually sane rather than completely counterproductive.

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2. lr4444+Fb1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:14:27
>>noober+kH
The diabetic Vanessa could have chosen not to have her first baby at 16.
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3. snowwr+6L1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 14:41:52
>>lr4444+Fb1
If you're arguing for widely available free contraception and sex education, I'm with you.

If you're just into shaming people for bad decisions, I'm not.

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4. ryandr+MY1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 15:56:04
>>snowwr+6L1
I don’t see any attempt to shame here. Having a kid is just a really bad financial decision. I should know, I have one! Would not recommend it for someone just starting their career or trying to climb out of poverty. I wish schools would teach about the massive financial consequences of raising a child. That would probably help immensely.
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5. snowwr+XV2[view] [source] 2018-09-12 21:46:32
>>ryandr+MY1
Without access to contraceptives and sex education, it is impossible for women to make a decision about whether or not to have a kid. They can only choose whether or not to have sex; pregnancy just sometimes happens if they do. Good luck getting a 16 year old (any 16 year old) to make good decisions about sex.

By sarcastically pretending that this 16-year-old made an affirmative choice to become a parent, the parent is actually trying to shame her for having sex as a teenager.

This goes directly to the heart of the article's point. Rather than confront a system that places some people at a disadvantage (lack of access to birth control or childcare), it's easier to insinuate that a person's hard life is solely the result of their own bad decisions.

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6. ryandr+Fl3[view] [source] 2018-09-13 02:00:34
>>snowwr+XV2
Good point--I guess I was assuming the children were voluntary, i.e. she was not raped or pressured into having children, which might be a bad assumption given her tragic background.
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