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1. noober+kH[view] [source] 2018-09-12 02:29:31
>>tysone+(OP)
It's not like meritocracy is completely unrelated to real life, it matters in a certain regime. However, if like Vanessa, you're born to lesser circumstances, you just cannot escape poverty by just working harder. Similarly, if you are born to very well off standards, even if you're a dope and spend money from Dad's inheritance on cocaine, sure, you won't be successful but you'll still have a net of some kind. You can always improve your lot, but where you start has a large impact on how much of phase space you can reach, so to say.

I think the mentality is shifting a little as millenials and gen z are slowly letting go of the meritocratic myth, but blaming internal motivations more than context is a problem in the American conception of the world we still suffer from as a nation. The inability of us to accept that our actions are not the only determining things in our lives seriously limit our ability to fully comprehend the world and how it really works which leads us to thinking ideas like work requirements are actually sane rather than completely counterproductive.

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2. lr4444+Fb1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:14:27
>>noober+kH
The diabetic Vanessa could have chosen not to have her first baby at 16.
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3. cm2012+Vc1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:31:38
>>lr4444+Fb1
You have no idea the kind of mental state, upbringing and understanding of the world Vanessa had at 16. One of the big reasons teen girls get pregnant is a desperate hope to fill the psychological void in their hearts created by neglectful parents.
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4. hhjink+Kd1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:44:10
>>cm2012+Vc1
That does not absolve her of her irresponsibility. 99% of 16-year-olds realize having a kid is a bad idea. She made her bed, and now she sleeps in it. I can empathize with her situation, but I can not empathize with anyone saying she is not herself at least partly responsible.
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5. m_faye+Qg1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 11:22:12
>>hhjink+Kd1
A modern wealthy society that allows a bad-but-understandable move by a 16 year old girl to basically wreck her entire life, is a cruel society.

Also don't overlook that America is also supposed to be a country of redemption and second chances, and that we as a society derive strength from that. We foster risk-taking, and we don't throw away people who seriously screw up - but rather capitalize on the fact that those who have overcome serious mistakes often become formidable humans. This is one of the bright spots of American culture, lets not throw it away for the cheap thrill of standing in self-righteous judgment.

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6. sonnyb+ZH1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 14:21:09
>>m_faye+Qg1
If she really wants to have a kid, she can have that.

To many people having a family is the #1 thing you know, the 'economics' are in support of that.

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