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1. noober+kH[view] [source] 2018-09-12 02:29:31
>>tysone+(OP)
It's not like meritocracy is completely unrelated to real life, it matters in a certain regime. However, if like Vanessa, you're born to lesser circumstances, you just cannot escape poverty by just working harder. Similarly, if you are born to very well off standards, even if you're a dope and spend money from Dad's inheritance on cocaine, sure, you won't be successful but you'll still have a net of some kind. You can always improve your lot, but where you start has a large impact on how much of phase space you can reach, so to say.

I think the mentality is shifting a little as millenials and gen z are slowly letting go of the meritocratic myth, but blaming internal motivations more than context is a problem in the American conception of the world we still suffer from as a nation. The inability of us to accept that our actions are not the only determining things in our lives seriously limit our ability to fully comprehend the world and how it really works which leads us to thinking ideas like work requirements are actually sane rather than completely counterproductive.

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2. dgudko+z31[view] [source] 2018-09-12 08:31:02
>>noober+kH
>you just cannot escape poverty by just working harder.

This is a traditional, stereotypical belief that in order to escape poverty you have to work harder. This is old understanding of meritocracy and it's no longer valid. The new meritocracy is that you have to learn harder. And now, given all the learning resources available for free on the internet (which is also very accessible nowadays) it's probably the best time ever to self-educate.

Once in a while I walk past a person selling pens/begging for money in my neighborhood. I always wonder how much he could've learnt and improved his life if he spent his time on learning instead of sitting on a bench and begging for money. I have sympathy for people that are poor due to unbearable circumstances such as mental illness or disability. But I honestly don't understand why an otherwise capable person won't make an effort to self-educate in order to break out of poverty.

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3. _khau+O91[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:46:51
>>dgudko+z31
Learning costs money, especially as an adult.

You still need to cover your basic expenses, homeless or not.

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4. bko+kb1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:11:03
>>_khau+O91
Learning is not just formal education. Learning costs much less money today than it probably ever has. Practically everyone in the US has the access of all the world's collective information.
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5. iei02n+Yc1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:31:49
>>bko+kb1
And all the free time in the world while working 3 jobs:

https://youtu.be/wFNj5sireDo

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6. shafto+ak1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 11:54:04
>>iei02n+Yc1
You don't get ahead by making excuses and you don't help people by defending straw men.
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7. _rpaf+KA1[view] [source] 2018-09-12 13:39:51
>>shafto+ak1
You also don't get ahead if you there's a perfectly valid reason outside of your control that prevents you from 'getting ahead', or makes it extremely unlikely. Most dictionaries would call those 'excuses'. And you especially don't get ahead if those valid reasons exist but are seldom discussed by the people with the most power to solve them, and are instead often reduced to 'excuses', 'lazyness', or any other straw man, like the one you're complaining about.
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