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1. neilwi+1X[view] [source] 2018-09-12 06:56:14
>>tysone+(OP)
If there are only 19 bones for every 20 dogs, then it doesn't matter how good a bone hunter they all are there will always be one dog disappointed and the other 19 will be grateful for the bone no matter how thin and weedy it is. Systemically the 'interest rate targeting' approach starts to tighten up policy when unemployment gets below 5% - which they consider 'full employment' even though 1 in 20 haven't got jobs.

Interest rate targeting uses an unemployment buffer to keep wages and therefore prices under control. Poverty for those in work is entirely part of the plan. To fix the poverty problem you need to fix the structural viewpoint and return to the Beveridge condition - everybody must have an alternative living wage job offer available to them so that job competition works properly in favour of people. There must always be more jobs available than people that want them, not slightly fewer.

But that then runs into what Kalecki called "The Political Aspects of Full Employment" - a recommended read if you haven't already: https://mronline.org/2010/05/22/political-aspects-of-full-em...

Truly a 'wicked problem' - tied up with the concept of power

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2. coldte+bZ[view] [source] 2018-09-12 07:28:34
>>neilwi+1X
>If there are only 19 bones for every 20 dogs, then it doesn't matter how good a bone hunter they all are there will always be one dog disappointed and the other 19 will be grateful for the bone no matter how thin and weedy it is.

Or, if the dogs are intelligent, they could split those 19 bones to 20 pieces...

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3. throwa+v01[view] [source] 2018-09-12 07:50:07
>>coldte+bZ
That wouldn't make them intelligent at all. This idea that there should always be fairness and equality in existence is very naive.
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4. michae+y11[view] [source] 2018-09-12 08:04:07
>>throwa+v01
Support your position please.
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5. throwa+A41[view] [source] 2018-09-12 08:41:46
>>michae+y11
Sharing resources with other people has absolutely nothing to do with being intelligent.
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6. throwa+451[view] [source] 2018-09-12 08:48:50
>>throwa+A41
And not sharing them doesn't either.

You still haven't made a point.

Is the intelligent action the action that is most likely to benefit the group?

Is a group of 20 fed dogs stronger than a group of 20 dogs where one goes hungry and becomes a weak or unstable element?

Seems like you're just trying to somehow rally against equality and/or sharing, by associating them with naivité, like you have some knowledge others do not, because you don't like those words, rather than trying to actually discuss the concepts they represent, specifically in this context, properly.

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7. throwa+E51[view] [source] 2018-09-12 08:55:14
>>throwa+451
I'm not trying to make a point or rallying against anything. I'm simply saying that I work hard to acquire resources for myself and will never give them away. We can all make moral/ethical/humane arguments about equality and fairness but I simply don't care. If that makes me unintelligent, then I suppose that's just something I'll have to accept.
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8. bildun+E71[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:17:24
>>throwa+E51
Are you really working hard, or are you working in IT, in a first world country?
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9. michae+i81[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:27:00
>>bildun+E71
Probably working more intelligently but less hard than the average person at Walmart.
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