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1. tosser+aH[view] [source] 2018-09-12 02:27:34
>>tysone+(OP)
Wage growth would help, but for some reason, these articles never even mention immigration. The scale of immigration both legal and illegal I believe has the greatest impact on the lowest sectors of society. The lack of discussion on the impact so many potential new workers is having on wage growth leads one to think they believe labor cost is the one thing immune to the law of supply and demand.
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2. tosser+6I[view] [source] 2018-09-12 02:37:11
>>tosser+aH
It’s interesting the immigration cannot even be mentioned without getting down voted.

It seems obvious to me that fewer low skill workers would result in higher wages for those who could most benefit from it.

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3. sidstl+zT[view] [source] 2018-09-12 06:04:50
>>tosser+6I
It’s more complicated than that though. In Denmark where I live, we have trouble staffing certain industry jobs. Jobs like gutting, freezing and packing fish or general slaughter houses.

It used to be that these were low paying jobs, packed with immigrants. Since you need a social security number to work, and we’re rather good at finding people who cheat the system, illegal immigration workers isn’t really a thing in factories. But the system and legalization was still exploited so paying immigrants less was possible.

Anyway eventually regulation caught up and ended the low pay loopholes. So now a job at those factories pays half a million kroner a year, or more than I earn as a senior IT-architect.

As a result a lot of our slaughtering houses moved production and enrichment out of the country, but the really interesting thing is the fishing factories. They couldn’t move or outsource production because they need to be located close to where the fish are caught.

Despite the pay hike they still can’t hire enough people without relying on immigration. It turned out that nobody wanted those jobs, even when they pay really well.

Ps. Im not sure what fishing factories and slaughtering houses are called in English but I hope you get the point.

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4. toofy+MV[view] [source] 2018-09-12 06:35:05
>>sidstl+zT
> Anyway eventually regulation caught up and ended the low pay loopholes. So now a job at those factories pays half a million kroner a year, or more than I earn as a senior IT-architect.

I think this is an important point that many people seem to gloss over when discussing what humans _deserve_ to be paid.

Many believe the uniqueness of a skill set or how much physical stress is inherent to a position should be the only factors which increase a salary.

But the point you highlight here says that the amount of soul-crushing misery a position entails should also play a significant role when determining salaries.

It seems that in many countries, companies can get away with paying soul-crushing positions so terribly because so many people are coerced into these jobs--forced to choose between incredibly soul-crushing, low paying positions or watch their families starve, become homeless, not be able to afford medical care etc...

Which leads me to wonder if there are any societal changes we could make in order to nudge salaries to reflect when a job is mentally abusive. Similar to how pay typically reflects when a job is physically abusive.

I'm guessing Denmark has a decent safety net which forces companies to actually factor in mental abuse of a position when they're formulating salaries which ensures their citizens are compensated accordingly?

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5. candio+MX[view] [source] 2018-09-12 07:07:35
>>toofy+MV
This also shows why high import taxes are a necessity. Not an option for Denmark (because they've signed away that authority to Brussels), but a necessity nonetheless.
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