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1. RockyM+(OP)[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:35:15
It's life, not life without parole. He'll get paroled, eventually.

People should read some of the background, including haggling over the cost of a murder for hire. - http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-2/

Truth is, it's hard to run this sort of thing without getting ripped off, and then violence is the only way to discourage people from ripping you off. Watch Godfather movies, esp. part 2... Mafias arise out of human nature and the nature of the game.

One of the many ironies of libertarian extremists is that actions which are considered illegitimate when taken by a democratic government become OK when taken by concentrated private power to protect private property.

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2. teduna+C2[view] [source] 2015-05-29 22:07:53
>>RockyM+(OP)
Last I heard federal parole isn't a thing.
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3. dreamd+W3[view] [source] 2015-05-29 22:25:16
>>RockyM+(OP)
> One of the many ironies of libertarian extremists is that actions which are considered illegitimate when taken by a democratic government become OK when taken by concentrated private power to protect private property.

Huh? Libertarian extremists do not condone murder or murder-for-hire. Most libertarian extremists also support proportional self-defense and damages doctrine (Rothbard et al) so would not consider murdering someone who steals from you acceptable.

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4. RockyM+Wh[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-30 03:11:29
>>teduna+C2
Hmmh, you could be right and I could be wrong. NYT article didn't say life without parole so I wasn't sure where that came from. But other people are reporting it.
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5. ethera+gp[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-30 05:55:40
>>dreamd+W3
They might consider killing someone who has threatened to reveal information to a brigade of killers that will kidnap and imprison, or outright kill people who have trusted and relied upon them to protect those people from such actions as at the very least worthy of consideration.

That was the situation here; party A attempts to blackmail party B with revealing the identities of group C to entity D which will then ruin the lives of all people within group C. Is it definitely right or wrong to hire somebody to kill party A? What duty of care does party B owe group C? Entity D exists and is not going away and will continue to behave in the fashion which party A relies upon as the stick in the equation. Attacking entity D directly is suicidal and ineffective.

If party A was directly threatening to kidnap and imprison or murder all the people in group C, I think aggressive action against them would be much less questionable, and effectively that is what they are actually doing, given the behaviour of entity D.

Putting all those pieces in place already, what is the appropriate response supposed to actually be?

Any way you look at it, it's certainly an interesting situation that people who otherwise would think there was no problem here must take into account. It's all well and good to believe the state is a gang of thieves and murderers writ large (disclaimer; I certainly do), and go about constructing a parallel strategy to circumvent them, but that strategy can't just ignore them, or the consequences of their existence, either.

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