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1. Boards+(OP)[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:05:31
Oh I see. unfortunately there is no "killing for pay" in the document you linked either. Just stop making shit up.
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2. dragon+Q[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:12:49
>>Boards+(OP)
> unfortunately there is no "killing for pay" in the document you linked either.

Actually the document uses the phrase "murder-for-hire".

Your word search probably failed because its an image scan and has no searchable text.

You actually need to read it. Which should be helped by the fact that where I linked it, I told you where in the document the murder-for-hire scheme was addressed.

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3. bkeroa+31[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:14:13
>>Boards+(OP)
It's right there on page 3 ("II. Background A. The Murder-For-Hire Evidence") and continues for quite some length. I'm not a lawyer and haven't been following the case, but if he was convicted of what the government alleges in this section it pretty much eliminates the "non-violent" argument.
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4. Boards+x1[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-29 21:19:13
>>dragon+Q
Ok thanks. Where is the text where he is actually sentenced for it?
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5. Boards+T3[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-29 21:44:25
>>bkeroa+31
No no no. You (or the one you replied to) said he was sentenced for murder. And I think we agree now that he wasn't, right?
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6. tptace+Pa[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-29 23:12:59
>>Boards+T3
Here is exactly what you said, kicking off this long and unproductive subthread:

There was no such thing introduced for the trial. It was in the original press release, then it was withdrawn. Maybe it was because of Mark Force's transgressions, or maybe it was just for effect. Regardless, he never got the chance to defend himself against those particular allegations.

By "no such thing", you were referring to the words <<the "murder for hire" evidence>> in the preceding comment.

Let's pick it apart:

1. There was no such thing introduced for the trial. Not only was it introduced for the trial, it was an explicit part of what Ulbricht was indicted for.

2. It was in the original press release, then it was withdrawn. It was never withdrawn; he was indicted based on (among other things) the explicitly asserted "overt act" of commissioning a murder. The murder-for-hire scheme wasn't innuendo, but a rebuttable fact introduced not just as evidence but as one of the legs of the case.

3. Maybe it was because of Mark Force's transgressions, or maybe it was just for effect. It may have been either of those things, but if so, it was also actually one of the predicates of the conspiracy charge he was convicted of.

4. Regardless, he never got the chance to defend himself against those particular allegations. Yes, he did; his legal team mounted multiple arguments against the allegation, and did not prevail at trial. Ulbricht's team had not only the opportunity to defend him against the allegation, but the obligation to. Conclusively refuting that allegation would have significantly harmed the prosecution's case, knocking out one of the predicates for the conspiracy charge.

From what I can tell, you made a fairly complicated series of assertions, none of which turned out to be true.

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7. uberno+Kx[view] [source] [discussion] 2015-05-30 08:52:13
>>Boards+T3
Hey, this may be weird, but I've got this football field where the goalposts were installed in the wrong place, and I need them moved. After checking out your comment history I think you'd be a good fit for the job; let me know if you'd be interested.
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