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frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are.

Where exactly do I make that assumption? You'll notice that I didn't even call for a blanket ban on guns, just that, as a nation, we could actually sit down and have a serious talk about whether people should be able to own weapons like this one for private use:

[EDIT: I regret posting the link to the rifle, there's clearly plenty of debate about it that detracts from the main topic of discussion- and we don't know any details for definite.]

https://twitter.com/MarlowNYC/status/279655599585775616

>>untog+(OP)
Fair point. I'd also like a serious discussion on whether most government have also lost the right to own them.

>>untog+(OP)
There are many different types of .223 caliber rifles, many of which are bolt-action and don't fall into the "oooh scary looking para-military-like assault rifle category".

>>untog+(OP)
Stop linking to FUD. It's been well reported that the shooter had two handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-co...

>>untog+(OP)
"He was wearing all black and was carrying two 9mm handguns" - http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15907407-26-dead-...

>>untog+(OP)
The .223 is common. The accessories make that gun look a lot more impressive. And you can't tell a gun's lethality just by looking at it -- the difference between semi-auto and full auto is just a cut-firing-pin apart on some guns, so there's no way to tell from outside the weapon.

>>pdeuch+T
AP News disagrees:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONNECTICUT_SCHOOL...

"A law enforcement official in Washington said the attacker was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school and that one of the guns was a .223-caliber rifle."

>>untog+(OP)
What's so significant about that rifle? That it's black and scary looking?

Here's a semiauto rifle with the same calibre:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Min...

Would that one be more acceptable because it has a wood stock?

>>untog+(OP)
We've had that conversation several times, typically in the wake of tragic and isolated events like this one.

As a nation, we've decided that we don't want to restrict the rights of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens merely because a few people misuse those rights. This is why politicians have generally decided not to push for more gun control - it's an election losing issue.

Incidentally, I'm confused by the point of that tweet. Here are some other .223 rifles:

http://s845.beta.photobucket.com/user/OldColdWarrior2009/med...

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9380/10373165_1.jpg?v=8C...

http://molot.biz/product-e/vepr223-super.jpg

For most calibers, you can find guns with many different form factors that accept bullets of that caliber. So what?

>>untog+(OP)
The AP article says only that it was a .223 rifle. This [1] is also a .223 rifle.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/1aCHK.jpg

>>dmm+v1
Exactly, if I'm going to get shot (which i'm generally against in principle) I'd hope it was a AR-15 and not an AK for instance. The round will fuck you up, but you might get to wake up in a hospital.

>>untog+(OP)
This is a terrible, very sad event. My heart goes out to everyone affected by it.

However, the idiocy of the tweet, designed only to spread FUD, the mindless retweets and ignorant comments, really piss me off. A few people have pointed out that .223 is a calibur, or 'shell size', and one of the mindless retweeters said she thinks shell size is gun specific.

i mean WTF... such epic ignorance...

>>marknu+V
New reports say that other guns were found - some kid of rifle left in the car r something like that.