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Technocracy had both socialist proponents like Charles Steinmetz and also anti-communists racists/fascists like Joshua Haldeman (Elon Musk grandfather). In some ways technocracy is the acknowledging of the necessity of economy planning to transcend capitalism but without taking into account class struggle. That way, it can be seen like a good-willed engineer dream that doesn't wants to face social reality or thinks socialist like planning can be implemented just by convincing capitalists it's advantages for the entire society (somewhat like the old utopian socialism / fabianism)... or, it can be used as an ideological cover-up to sell the dream of a brighter future but without questioning the billonarie class, the concentration of capital or the property of the means of production, while avoiding taking explicit positions in every class struggle instance.

I think this new version is the latter case, a bad rehearsal used as a veil of the ascent of fascism in the States.

>>nahuel+(OP)
War is violent and mucky and you never know if you’re going to make it out on the other side. I think a great value of Marx’s later work is the reminder of its inevitability. All we can do is prepare and hope it works out better this time.

>>nahuel+(OP)
> I think this new version is the latter case, a bad rehearsal used as a veil of the ascent of fascism in the States.

I've found over time that one man's utopia is another's hellish nightmare. This is true of every utopia and should be a pretty strong argument against implementing them at all.

>>throww+44
I see this in some cities. They are very clean looking, no litter, no graffiti, very shiny windows. Then you think about how the people must be treated to make this be true.

>>direwo+Nh
> Then you think about how the people must be treated to make this be true.

People who have all their needs met (food and safety, social, etc) tend to want to make the world around them better. I would wager the nice looking places are more likely to have well-treated people.

Places that look like dumps are the ones more likely to be populated by people who are treated poorly.

>>mullin+yn
unrealistic expectation. The city is hyper–clean because anyone who litters is shot.

>>direwo+qt
Can you be more specific? I guess you're talking about some place like one of the central Asian republics?

>>throww+44
The origins of the word utopia are exactly that idea. The original books about utopias almost all showed the negative heart at the center of the idea.

>>direwo+Nh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

TLDR; they built a mouse utopia universe 25 with plenty of food water and space . Eventually some grew violent, others sat and groomed themselves all day, they stopped breeding and died out.

>>direwo+qt
Or because people in the community have pride in the community. One of the differences I've noticed between Hawaii and Tahiti is in how dirty and messed up the buildings and streets are. In Hawaii there's more of a "community spirit" that tends to encourage cleanliness. I felt more despair from Tahiti.

>>throww+mi2
Community spirit is cleanliness but also freedom. In a community spirit place you get no litter but you also get lots of artsy decorations and weird spaces. In a conformist place you get no litter and whatever type of building billionaires make money from.