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1. PaulHo+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:25:20
It's a story in Germany all the time that some open source zealots get a town government to switch to an off-brand office suite which is so bad that the government worker's union goes on strike to get Microsoft Office back.
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2. stock_+62[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:34:25
>>PaulHo+(OP)
Most people are just highly resistant to change, even change for the better.
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3. jetbal+n2[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:35:14
>>PaulHo+(OP)
Which one did they switch to?
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4. PaulHo+n3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 17:39:38
>>jetbal+n2
Here's a case of a recent one which is early in the cycle

https://www.pcmag.com/news/german-province-ditches-microsoft...

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5. wolvol+N6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 17:52:31
>>PaulHo+n3
LibreOffice isn't bad at all.
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6. senko+a9[view] [source] 2026-02-04 18:02:52
>>PaulHo+(OP)
The unironic use of "off brand office suite" here is hysterically tragic.

Also, the productivity suite formerly known as Office is these days called "365 Copilot".

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7. outsid+h91[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 22:55:09
>>stock_+62
Ok, but let's be fair. Libre Office et al are terrible.
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8. direwo+n91[view] [source] 2026-02-04 22:55:41
>>PaulHo+(OP)
You mean Munich, and Microsoft bribed them millions of dollars and a HQ relocation to put Microsoft Office back.
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9. simona+ra1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 23:01:34
>>wolvol+N6
LibreOffice is catastrophically bad. It is slow, buggy, and everything it does is either pointlessly emulating a bad product, or pointlessly going against expectations.

It exists for one reason only, which is OSS fervor. Great, but that doesn’t lead to great design.

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10. wolvol+Sf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 23:34:04
>>simona+ra1
I don't agree, I use it all the time. I never use the 'real' office at home, though I do at work. And I'm really happy with it. It works fine, it's pretty light and it runs on every OS without me having to use a substandard web version.

I understand their copying the MS Office look and feel because that muscle memory is key to converting users. I like the way they didn't go all-in on those ribbons which have always been pretty terrible.

In that sense I think the biggest issues with the product is that it's taking so many cues from MS Office which on its own is pretty terrible but has grown to be abundant.

I think the whole office workflow is grossly outdated anyway. Excel is mostly misused as a pisspoor database which it deeply sucks at because it doesn't offer any way to safeguard data integrity. What MS should do is overhaul Access completely to make users grok it better. But they don't care.

Word docs are still full of weird template issues, PowerPoint still uses the old overhead projector transparent slide paradigm.

What it really needs is someone to look at this without any of the 1980s baggage and come up with tools for workflow problems from this century with techniques that fit this century. Adding an AI clippy like MS has done does not cut it at all.

But it does mean having to chip away at the entrenched market position of office, that's the problem. Microsoft stops innovating when they've cornered the market, just like they did with internet explorer. Someone has to do a chrome on office, but it will need someone with a big bag of money. Not an open source project run on a shoestring.

So yeah I think LibreOffice is not great but the not great bits are copied from MS Office because they simply have no alternative.

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11. unytti+Sj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 00:00:16
>>simona+ra1
I recently began using markdown readers/writers like Typora and they’ve blown me away— what LibreOffice Writer could have been. Competing directly with MS Word was a trap.
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12. sanjay+Vk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 00:07:06
>>simona+ra1
I'm with wolvoleo. I'm forced to use MS Office at work but install only LO on my personal machines. It may lack features or pizzazz but as a reliable, unfussy authoring tool, it serves my needs very well.

> pointlessly going against expectations

If you're referring to the ribbon, I'm not sold on its superiority. The vast majority of other software still uses the familiar menu structure, which is what LO uses too.

Granted, well meaning educational programs expose students to MS Office and its paradigm, from an early age. For their sake, I eagerly await a coding assistant AI powerful enough to reskin LibreOffice to look just MS Office, ribbon and all.

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13. bitwiz+Fw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:39:30
>>sanjay+Vk1
I started my wife on LibreOffice, putting it on her Mac when her 365 subscription lapsed. She loves it. Her needs aren't fancy, though, and she can create her own or open others' documents and spreadsheets just fine.
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14. olyjoh+qC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:27:17
>>outsid+h91
Its really not that bad. I used to use it at work all the time. I did word processing, spreadsheets and presentations all the time with it. Maybe not as powerful as Excel, but I was never really a power user. But then again I never saw any spreadsheets that anybody used that were particularly complex.
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15. syocki+sJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:28:49
>>outsid+h91
We have OnlyOffice as an alternative today. Personally I find the UI quite pleasing. But lately I haven't had any need to use office suite at home so I don't really use it so I have yet to find anything to complain (meanwhile, LibreOffice was horrible, while Office 365 was bearable until you stuff too many things in the equation editor).
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16. speed_+QK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:40:48
>>outsid+h91
At this point, LibreOffice is much better than whatever Microsoft now sells as an office suite.
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