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1. JohnMa+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:15:38
Microsoft's fumble here is pretty spectacular.

Back in early 2023, the state of google search was abysmal (despite that their leaders insisted it wasn't, it had become nearly unusable for me and I don't think was that unfounded of an opinion). Microsoft rolled out a new version of bing, which became bing chat - search worked for me again for a very brief window of time.

They could have pounced on this opportunity to take a big chunk out of google's search, because google didn't really catch up there til the AI overview was rolled out, and even that is notorious for having issues. Eventually chatGPT seems to have carved out some of this search space with web-search being native to the tools now.

But microsoft was way ahead of everyone here for a brief period! Instead they just rolled everything into bloatware vaguely called "Copilot" and called it a day.

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2. PaulHo+q1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:22:14
>>JohnMa+(OP)
Over and over Microsoft kills products with mis-marketing.

One scenario is the product is good (OneNote) but they put three icons on the taskbar for it and spam the rest of Windows for ads for it that just make people scream "take it away!"

Another scenario is that the product is bad (OneDrive) and they push you into having a traumatic experience (Microsoft Office uses it as the default save location and when it is down you can't save your work!) that makes sure you'll never use it again -- even though now OneDrive seems to be basically reliable.

Today is it the dominant playbook for marketing of AI experiences. Mostly people are sick and tired of hearing about it, the master Unique Selling Point of 2026 is products that don't interrupt you when you are trying to get work done.

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3. basch+B5[view] [source] 2026-02-04 17:39:43
>>JohnMa+(OP)
>it had become nearly unusable for me and I don't think was that unfounded of an opinion

if ironic is the right word; the (google) search product itself still is. if not even worse.

the 'new' ai mode routinely creates these silly categories that are not what i was looking for and my screen is filled with repetitive ai summaries of articles. it will ingest a source as fact, and then use that fact to create confirmation bias across other articles. it will even use words like "confirm" when it finds a source saying something, even if the source is junk or seo spam. it becomes somewhat impossible to escape the assumptions the model has made, and i have to resort to traditional web search to get diversity in my results.

and while deep research works, its so overly verbose, with no easy way to tone down the wordiness.

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4. JohnMa+J6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 17:44:37
>>basch+B5
I don't use it often, but at least now I can get an answer. I swear in early 2023 I would just get completely irrelevant, borderline spammy results to the point I gave up and felt helpless because there was no real alternative at that time for how I used google. It felt like the internet broke for a window of time and Bing (very briefly) brought me out of that hell. To this day I still can't believe they didnt capitalize on it.
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5. ifwint+Nc[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 18:07:50
>>PaulHo+q1
Recently had to download actual Adobe Reader for the first time in at least a decade and... christ. Requires most of an H100 in resources and you can't do what you actually want to do because of multiple AI related popups and attempt to get you to subscribe to some Adobe cloud nonsense.

I knew it would be bad but I couldn't believe the state of it, just utter garbage

6. cadams+ZY[view] [source] 2026-02-04 21:49:15
>>JohnMa+(OP)
It cost them (as a guess) -1T of market cap..

In other words they still got rewarded by the market despite all the missteps. I don’t agree with this reality but here we are.

7. anthon+ng1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 23:23:00
>>JohnMa+(OP)
>it had become nearly unusable for me and I don't think was that unfounded of an opinion

this is an extremely unfounded opinion, and pointing me to other people on hackernews that agree with you is not evidence. Google search quite literally was and continues to be the most successful and profitable product in the history of humanity. None of your comment interfaces with reality at all.

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8. JohnMa+Pi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 23:38:36
>>anthon+ng1
Then prove it? There have been actual studies that confirm this fact. You could also use the fact that google search has been losing market share steadily since 2023 and since search was supported on things like chatGPT as evidence it has been in decline. But, as I have in the past also said, I refuse to argue about this with google employees/devotees because there seems to be a fair amount of delusion involved.

For me, the user, it didn’t work. I got that from my own experience with it. You can point it at me and say it was my imagination, or i wasn’t “doing it right,” but that experience was absolutely true for me. If you care to you can even go back to my oldest posting history to see me complaining about it, and similarly people rushing in to defend it (very aggressively)

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9. Saline+ks1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 00:46:10
>>anthon+ng1
Google search is extremely vulnerable to SEO scams. It's very common to see advertised/high ranked scams with similar domain names (e.g bankname.com vs bankname.co). I switched to Kagi mainly for this reason.
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10. KoftaB+py1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:36:32
>>anthon+ng1
> most successful and profitable product in the history of humanity.

The iPhone is a much stronger contender for that title. It has probably surpassed $1 Trillion in profit for Apple since 2007.

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11. MBCook+OH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:55:56
>>anthon+ng1
The fact that Google grabbed a monopoly and now is making bank does not mean the product is good.

It was amazing.

Today it’s pretty terrible for me. I’ve switched to Kagi.

But Google has a MASSIVE advantage. They have the most used browser (they push the hell out of it). They get the most search traffic, so they can use that to tune results better than anyone (if they want). Thats part of how they took off so fast. Got so good. The rich get richer.

And everyone knows Google is #1 by 1000 miles. So that’s the engine they want to be in. That’s whose advice they follow.

Google gets the searches so it can get better faster. It gets the eyeballs to make the money to invest in other Google stuff. All of it pushes Chrome, which pushes Google Search.

Google is not the best. Google years ago was. They’re a shadow of their former self, destroyed by spam of their creation and AI slop they’ve helped make.

They’re still THE default. But as they say, “past performance is not an indicator of future success“.

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12. ajkjk+WJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:14:53
>>anthon+ng1
it's not "unfounded", mountains of people have observed it. That's the foundation.
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13. Dylan1+pK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:19:47
>>anthon+ng1
I don't see how "most successful and profitable product" is supposed to disprove a big drop in quality.
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