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1. wobfan+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-04 07:58:50
The fact that so many people are discussing their terminal just confirms the fact that a terminal is incredibly basic.
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2. trymas+X[view] [source] 2026-02-04 08:05:36
>>wobfan+(OP)
English is not my first language, but do you mean "foundational" instead of "basic"?

By your logic (that many people discuss) web browsers are "basic", IDEs are "basic", programming languages are the most "basic" thing (how many of them! discussions are limitless!!).

EDIT: have the gut to explain yourself instead of downvoting ;) , I am not discussing in bad faith , but you do you.

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3. spaced+E9[view] [source] 2026-02-04 09:13:13
>>wobfan+(OP)
No. It. Doesn't.

The whole conversation came from someone claiming the most basic feature of an IDE is to include a terminal - that's why people are discussing terminals.

Don't get me wrong, I live in the terminal when using the computer, but I don't see a need for one when using Xcode.

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4. 9dev+SB[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 12:46:09
>>spaced+E9
Call it a task runner shell, if you like. What makes a development environment integrated, if not the ability to launch and manage external processes?
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5. spaced+An2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 21:23:25
>>9dev+SB
To me, integrated means it integrates a bunch of tasks that used to be separate. I used to have a text-editor, a Makefile to use with 'make', a command line debugger, a static-analyser, and a profile target in that Makefile that I could use to figure out where my code was slow, using another command line tool.

All of that is in Xcode (and a hell of a lot more besides). That makes it integrated, at least IMHO.

You commented above, and I replied, about some of the tasks you use an integrated terminal for, and I'm not trying to say you shouldn't or that that's not useful to you - you obviously know your own workflows and what works best for you :) I just don't see it as "the most basic feature you could integrate into an IDE" (which was the original claim).

I'd probably put 'text editor' up as the most basic, closely followed by compiler integration and then debugger. Static analysis would probably come next, then unit-testing support, doc-comments, and tools like refactoring, good multi-file search/replace etc.

A terminal app is way, way down the list. For me. I realise everyone is different and YMMV :)

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