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1. verdve+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-03 17:23:51
Are you aware of the current efforts by researchers on Bluesky to build a new researchers platform on ATProto? (Forget the project name at the moment)

If not, same handle over there, I can get you in touch with them. Or hit up Boris, he knows everyone and is happy to make connections

There's also a full day at the upcoming conference on ATProto & scientific related things. I think they com on discourse more (?)

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2. crimso+Q2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 17:33:59
>>verdve+(OP)
Ooh no, please do, but would love to hear more!
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3. Johnny+x3[view] [source] 2026-02-03 17:36:18
>>verdve+(OP)
id also be curious to follow this if you have any links or resources
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4. verdve+h5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 17:42:13
>>Johnny+x3
This is probably a good jumping off point

https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...

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5. verdve+o5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 17:42:39
>>crimso+Q2
Go chime in and share your work here: https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...

That'll get us connected off HN

I think Cosmik is the group I was thinking of that has also put out some initial poc like yourself

6. nosuch+DW1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 04:18:34
>>verdve+(OP)
Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?
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7. southe+ol2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 08:11:07
>>nosuch+DW1
Disclaimer: i'm rather hostile to ATProto for reinventing the wheel without bringing much value over AP/XMPP/Matrix.

I don't think that's a fair characterization. Most AP implementations famously don't have privacy features: it was by design (and therefore no surprise to us tech folks), but i remember it was quite the scandal when users found out Mastodon instance admins could read users' private messages. A later "scandal" involved participation in the EUNOMIA research project about "provenance tracking" in federated networks [1], which to be fair to conspiracy theorists does sound like an academic front for NSA-style firehose R&D.

That being said, Bluesky is much harder to selfhost and is therefore not decentralized in practice. [2] See also Blacksky development notes. However, Bluesky does bring a very interesting piece to the puzzle which AP carefully ignored despite years of research in AP-adjacent protocols (such as Hubzilla): account portability.

All in all, i'm still siding on the ActivityPub ecosystem because i think it's much more ethical and friendly in all regards, and i'm really sad so many so-called journalists, researchers and leftists jumped ship to Bluesky just because the attraction of "Twitter reborn" (with the same startup nation vibes) was too strong. At least in my circles, i did not meet a single person who mentioned the choice of Bluesky was about UX or features.

But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. Much more so than AP. And to be fair to ATProto, it is worse than AP from a centralization standpoint, but at least it's not as bad and complex as the matrix protocol which brought 0 value over AP/XMPP but made implementations 100x more complex and resource-intensive.

[1] https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting

[2] https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/

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8. greent+cn2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 08:26:11
>>nosuch+DW1
Yes. Nostr and ActivityPub are so easy too, I don't see much advantage to ATProto and so many disadvantages. It's as decentralized as a meme coin, just waiting for the rug pull.

To me something git-like with a peer review UI (a la pull requests) seems far more natural for distributed academic publications than a social media protocol though.

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9. crimso+5t2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 09:10:40
>>greent+cn2
So I briefly touched on this in the blog post, but to expand a little... ATProto provides significantly more "batteries included" than ActivityPub in my view - if you use ATProto, it can handle both authentication and identity management, and effectively act as your back-end and CRUD operations (eg, oauth with your PDS, and then write/read from the network for your object creation based on your Lexicon).

ActivityPub, based on my understanding, really doesn't work like that - while you an oauth with your mastodon account, the expectation is you'll be handling identity and back-end bits, and then sharing events across the network (happy to be corrected).

Part of what kicked this off is seeing ATProto's new devrel person at a meetup and finding their vision pretty compelling.

But yes, ActivityPub is more "robust" and decentralised (hence also jankier)

https://andreasthinks.me/posts/octosphere/octosphere.html

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10. verdve+xE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 16:37:06
>>nosuch+DW1
That's what the haters proclaim, it's from a position of bias and/or jealousy

ATProtocol made a decision, based on the other protocols, to put more emphasis on user experience. If you want to build a new social media fabric for everyone, they have to want to use it. AP / Nostr have UX that will never appeal to the masses.

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11. verdve+wF3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 16:41:00
>>southe+ol2
> But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community.

I build in the ATmosphere because I want to effect change. AP was hostile, Nostr is for crypto bros. The @dev community is one of the strongest pieces and attractors

One way I like to think about how the protocol is different is that they made a giant event system for the public content and then let anyone plug in anywhere they want

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

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12. verdve+8G3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 16:43:35
>>greent+cn2
It's for more than publishing, it's for science, which involves people collaborating and communicating
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