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1. Doctor+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-03 07:06:56
but thats what you don't get: conduction / convection on the ground is ultimately still radiation to space: you heat up our rivers, soils, atmosphere and the heat is eventually shed... by thermal radiation.

its not exactly good advertisement for conductive or convective heat transfer if its really employing thermal radiation under the hood!

but do you want big tech to shit where you eat? or do you want them to go to the bathroom upstairs?

At some point I'm thinking the large resistance to the idea I am seeing in a forum populated with programmers is the salivation-inducing idea that all that datacenter hardware will eventually get sold for less and less, but if we launch them to space there won't be any cheap devalued datacenter hardware to put in their man-caves.

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2. mrks_h+aa[view] [source] 2026-02-03 08:30:01
>>Doctor+(OP)
You have presented a good case from the physics textbook for calculating the radiator size.

However, what do you reckon the energy balance is for launching the 1 GW datacenter components into space and assembling it?

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3. Doctor+Qp[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 10:28:56
>>mrks_h+aa
I just get tripped up when I see people disbelieve physics, especially laws that have been known for about 150 years!

The economics and energy balance is where I too am very skeptical, at least near term.

Quick back of envelope calculations gave me a payback time of about 10 years, so which is only a single order of magnitude off which can easily accumulate by lack of access to detailed plans.

I can not exclude they see something (or can charge themselves lower launch costs, etc.) that makes it entirely feasible, but also can't confirm its infeasible economically. For example I have no insight of what fraction of terrestrial datacenter establishment cost goes into various "frictions" like paying goverments and lawyers to gloss over all the details, paying permission taxes etc. I can see how space can become attractive in other ways.

Then again if you look at the energetic cost to do a training run, it seems MW facilities would suffice. So why do we read all the noise about restarting nuclear power plants or trying to secure new power plants strictly for AI? It certainly could make sense if governments are willing to throw top dollar at searching algorithmic / mathematical breakthroughs in cryptography. Even if the compute is overpriced, you could have a lot of LLM's reasoning in space to find the breakthroughs before strategic competitors do. Its a math and logic race unfolding before our eyes, and its getting next to no coverage.

4. wat100+GQ[view] [source] 2026-02-03 13:39:07
>>Doctor+(OP)
I can’t help but notice that you didn’t answer the question.

The resistance to the idea is because it doesn’t make any sense. It makes everything more difficult and more expensive and there’s no benefit.

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5. Doctor+5G1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 17:28:09
>>wat100+GQ
but I did answer your question: I showed its a false dichotomy: conduction/convection on the ground entails radiation into space.

It's you who didn't answer my question :)

Would you prefer big tech to shit where we eat, or go to the bathroom upstairs?

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6. wat100+1k2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 20:04:09
>>Doctor+5G1
What false dichotomy? At no point did I even suggest that cooling by convection/conduction on the ground or cooling by radiation in space are the only two possibilities. I am not, despite what one might think, a complete moron. I know that there are more things. You could cool by radiation on the ground. You could cool in space by launching blocks of ice into orbit. You could put your computers on a balloon floating in Neptune and use its atmosphere for cooling.

The reason I'm talking about computers on the ground using the atmosphere for cooling is because that's how things are done right now and that's the obvious alternative to space-based computing.

Why does it matter what I prefer? I'd love to see all industry in space and Earth turned into a garden. I'm not talking about what I want. I'm talking about the economics. I'm asking why so many people are talking about putting data centers in space when doing so would be so much more difficult than putting data centers on Earth. If your argument is that it's more difficult but it's worth the extra effort so we don't "shit where we eat," great, but that's the first time I've ever seen that argument put forth. None of the actual players are making that case.

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