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does he need spacex/xai to prop up tesla or the other way around?

>>broken+(OP)
Tesla is still very profitable, as is SpaceX I assume. Twitter/X has been a $44 billion dollar failure, and xAI is a vanity project so Musk can go around saying he is a player in the AI space. Investors in both X and xAI need to be bailed out, hence this announcement.

>>broken+(OP)
I suspect SpaceX will acquire Tesla at some point. It’s the most profitable of these companies. So basically SpaceX employees and shareholders are covering up for the failing Tesla business and the already-failed xAI business.

Let’s not forget, xAI is the parent of Twitter/X (the social network). So now, taxpayers are paying to keep Twitter/X alive. After all, it is taxpayer money going to the contracts the government gives SpaceX for launches. Nice way to subsidize what is effectively a one sided campaign machine for the GOP and far right.

>>paxys+O1
I think its an effort to position SpaceX as an AI company in order to justify some ridiculous valuation at IPO.

>>Silver+d4
This was my immediate thought as well. A great time to ask yourself — why am I literally paying for any of this? At best I literally don't use any of these services, at worst they are actively used against me.

>>paxys+O1
Do you genuinely not think that "Elon" (xAI) is player in the AI space?

You don't have to think they have the best models of course, but they are clearly a very significant, and some might argue, leading player in the AI race.

>>paxys+O1
Tesla has a P/E in the hundreds and a ~0.3% market cap to profit ratio. In what world is this "very" profitable?

>>kypro+Z5
xAI’s models are really not pioneering at all. They weren’t the first to do MoE. Not the first to do open weighting, not the first to have memory or multi-modal vision.

So no, I wouldn’t say Elon is a major player in the AI space. People use his models because they are cheap and are willing to undress people’s photos.

>>Silver+d4
> I suspect SpaceX will acquire Tesla at some point.

I think that is also likely, unless Tesla can stage a major turnaround, it is going to be beaten by Chinese competitors nearly everywhere that they are allowed (which is everywhere but the USA.)

>>Silver+d4
I get what you're saying, but that taxpayer money is paying for the launch services at a very competitive rate (possibly the cheapest of all available options), not a subsidy scheme.

>>verzal+E4
I think it's more so that the upcoming new public shareholders of SpaceX bail out his X/xAI misadventure.

>>paxys+O1
The $44B Twitter/X buyout was not a failure. For example Fidelity has its $19M investment in the buyout - now xAI common shares - marked at $62M (up over 3X) as of 12/31/25. It was certainly valued even higher on 1/31/26 after xAI had an oversubcribed fund raise in January. All before this merger announcement.

>>broken+(OP)
I guess the difference is Tesla is a public company, so requires more paperwork. SpaceX isn't public yet, but will be soon, meaning it will have a cash infusion.

>>__alex+e7
In the world where it makes $8-10B in profit on $90-95 billion in revenue every year. Whatever price investors choose to trade the stock at is irrelevant to those numbers.

>>Crypto+p7
saying they aren't pioneering is very different than saying they aren't a major player in the space. There're only like 5-7 players with a foundational model that they can serve at scale. xAI is one of them

>>kypro+Z5
> and some might argue, leading player in the AI race

What is this argument exactly? What are they leading?

>>spikel+C8
The fact that it had to be successively bailed out by xAI (which itself was funded by Tesla) and now SpaceX shareholders is exactly what makes the acquisition a failure.

>>paxys+U9
He spent other people's money (or maybe even imaginary money) he couldn't have used for himself (since selling off major stakes in your company is a big nono)

>>paxys+u9
It is a real model, real datacenters, and deployed heavily on their social media platform.

That's the full stack? Only other player that vertically setup is facebook, google and microsoft.

>>paxys+X8
It's actually down to $3.8B in profit now, and will be losing money within a year at the rate its been losing profitability.

>>paxys+X8
2% net return on assets is garbage

>>paxys+U9
A "bailout" is when a company rescued from bankruptcy. Common equity holders take large losses or are wiped out. This did not happen here.

We also know the Twitter buyout debt was sold at near par before the merger with xAI which is inconsistent with being near bankruptcy.

>>spikel+C8
> xAI had an oversubcribed fund raise in January

My understanding is that it was not oversubscribed and would not have closed without Tesla’s investment.

>>cowsan+6g
It was originally for $15B. They raised $20B of which $2B was from Tesla.

Your sources might be shady (Elektrek?).

>>Silver+d4
> I suspect SpaceX will acquire Tesla at some point.

Tesla will have to lose its meme status first, otherwise they would be paying real money to make the acquisition close. The other acquisitions are using VC valuations which Musk has a big hand in. Matt Levine did a whole thing on it when xAI acquired X.