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1. varjag+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-29 19:39:09
Sure, it is quite far-fetched. However it is extremely uncommon that we experience unified social trends all across the board, from liberal Finland or Japan to North Korea and Taliban-run Afghanistan. Usually there are odd reversals and exceptions here and there; not this time apparently. And we still lack a satisfying theory that could account for fertility decline in every country.
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2. cybera+rE1[view] [source] 2026-01-30 08:11:44
>>varjag+(OP)
We do. It's called "urbanization".

Large cities are inherently inimical to living in large families. And yes, it was apparently the case even in the Roman Empire.

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3. varjag+ZS2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-30 16:39:28
>>cybera+rE1
Decline happens also in territories that had been urbanized decades or even centuries ago but had positive fertility rate until 2010s. As I said you can pull a patchy blanket of micro-theories explaining each region but not one theory that accounts for them all.
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4. cybera+j55[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-31 09:35:37
>>varjag+ZS2
Yes, but it happened in stages. The fertility fell each time people moved into higher density areas.

You can even see mild recovery when de-densification happens. It's very interesting to compare the fertility rate in Denmark and Netherlands:

https://www.macrotrends.net/datasets/global-metrics/countrie...

https://www.macrotrends.net/datasets/global-metrics/countrie...

You can see the dip and a recovery in Denmark and essentially no recovery in Netherlands (until post 2000, but that was due to immigration). Why?

Here's the answer:

https://www.macrotrends.net/datasets/global-metrics/cities/2...

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/21930/amst...

Denmark de-densified its cities during the late 70-s (that's why Copenhagen is the world's most liveable city, btw).

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5. varjag+1G7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-01 09:57:01
>>cybera+j55
Generally when people say urbanisation is the cause of fertility decline they mean people moving out of 7 child families at subsistence farms and rice paddies to city factories. Not any developments in Denmark or the Netherlands in last 150 years.
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