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I've been recently researching if I could replace American cloud providers with something like OVH or Hetzner (the latter I occasionally use for VPS) and there is no fucking chance. It's great that 37signals and DHH can do it, and I have no trouble believing they have saved money, but for situations in which I operate, both startup and enterprise environments but where devs are scarce and teams small, it's simply not realistic.

>>aerhar+(OP)
I moved my stuff to Hetzner. Obv I have no idea about your situation, but I found it fairly trivial for my stuff.

But I can't figure out how to replace GSuite.

>>earthn+x
Well for one thing, call me a sell-out or accuse me of lacking craftsmanship, but I like my databases managed. Then also storage buckets, IAM, general cloud security and other niceties.

And I don't think it's for a lack of skills, I know my way around a Linux box - it's just that I save so much time. I'll occasionally build small projects in a VPS (sometimes cramming the db in there too!) but I don't feel I can do it for other more serious work projects.

Hetzner has basic load-balancing and security around the VPS and that's it, OVH has a bit more but it all looks quite green.

>>aerhar+c5
Oh, I wasn't trying to say you're wrong. Just wanted to share that for me, the bottleneck has been elsewhere, and that I personally found GSuite harder than the compute cloud.

>>aerhar+c5
You're not wrong. Europe has no clouds only hosting & vps providers. Nothing has changed in 20 years. Really sad actually.

>>aerhar+c5
> Well for one thing, call me a sell-out or accuse me of lacking craftsmanship, but I like my databases managed.

I had the same worries and then we moved to OVH and Hetzner and had no issues.

AWS RDS is about 10x more expensive than bare metal with maybe 1/4th the disk performance.

Regarding operations I simply setup a primary and read replica together with a PGBackRest continuous archiving and backup solution to a S3 compatible storage service.

Has worked like a charm in the last two years and recreating the database is a breeze.

Our database is ~8 TB large.

>>aerhar+c5
> but I like my databases managed. Then also storage buckets, IAM, general cloud security and other niceties.

Scaleway offers all of these.