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From a semi-corrupt country, ie being somewhere between Africa and the developed world, I can only suggest to fellow USians courage and patience three more years. Times will come good again. A corrupt leader is very difficult to change and things seem grim because he has captured all three forms of power.

>>tsouka+(OP)
A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader.

America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse.

The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.

>>hdgvhi+15
> America has checks and balances, and they have failed.

America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

>>hdgvhi+15
Never in the past an irreversible decline of a hundred long empire has started in one year. Abrupt crisis end abruptly. Never any political party has impeached it's winning leader. Nowadays the country needs a Dem President, whoever they are. The new billionaires will have different priorities, again not friendly but more peaceful. You just have to wait, as we do in my country every now and then.

>>tsouka+(OP)
Why do you think things will change in 3 years? All indications are that this is just the way the country is trending and, at any rate, it's prone to making 180 degree turns every 4 years anyway.

>>crote+R8
Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside.

"The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so it may be a check upon both, as both..."

— John Adams

And our government doesn't have that necessary firebreak. Justice is part of the Executive.

Source: https://www.mass.gov/guides/john-adams-architect-of-american...

>>sleigh+Ir
The Justice Department isn't the same as the judicial branch. The Justice Department is (among several other things) the lawyers who represent the government in front of (judicial branch) courts.

>>sleigh+Ir
Benjamin Franklin literally stated it was "good enough for now" (where "now" == hundreds of years past) despite lacking sufficient checks and balances, and would need constant attendance and amending over time until the likes of the Federalists found themselves a Trump to white ant the US from the inside out.

  I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

~ https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a7s3.html

>>defros+us
also Ben Franklin: "A republic...if you can keep it"

(elipsis mine)

>>crote+R8
I believe Canada's prime minister gave an interesting speech about this at Davos.

>>tsouka+(OP)
A plurality of Americans want this. They voted for it, knowing what was coming. There's no reason to believe they won't do so again.

>>defros+us
That speech is bone-chilling. It's so incredibly obvious -- at the risk of going against Franklin's own advice to avoid falling prey to a sense of infallibility -- that the future time he referred to has now come.

>>garbaw+1l
The current situation is enforced by a temporary coup and is incompatible with the average American citizen base. Although a sizable share idiotically supports the crimes, the rest awaits its turn. We experience that back and forth in Greece for two hundred years.

A different party, in that case the Democrats, if it is elected, will immediately deactivate the core of the current governing billionaires, starting from Musk and Thiel, and replace them with new ones, most probably from Wall Street and Academia. Do you think Jamie Dimon will do the same?

>>tsouka+ra
This hasn’t started in one year, it’s been going over a decade, probably since the GFC and rise of the tea party.

It’s not about Trump, it’s the 85m that voted for Trump.

>>hdgvhi+Ea1
Arguably several decades. A lot of the current politics is derived from the destruction of the education system and from general economic frustration, which have been building for decades.

>>tsouka+sR
> The current situation is enforced by a temporary coup and is incompatible with the average American citizen base.

They won the election though? And enough other elections to control the other wings of government as well.