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1. n4r9+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-24 22:00:33
What is the benefit of estimating points rather than days? Feels like you're still ultimately estimating days in the end.
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2. crazyg+e2[view] [source] 2026-01-24 22:20:26
>>n4r9+(OP)
Because, for whatever psychological reason, estimating in time leads to a false sense of accuracy, people pointlessly argue over whether something will take 5 days vs. 6, and people tend not to be overly optimistic and forget to account for things like sickness, meetings, etc.

Estimating in points that are basically a Fibonacci sequence keep estimation precision limited and avoids implying false guarantees. Yes, in the end the chosen stories are based on summing to a number of points that is roughly equivalent to what the team has achieved per-sprint in the recent past, so in that sense it is ultimately estimating days in the end. But again, for whatever psychological reason, people seem to be more realistic about the variance in actual delivered points per sprint, as opposed to when you try to measure things in hours or days. The points imply more of an estimated goal than a deadline guarantee, which helps keep both team expectations and management expectations more reasonable.

tl;dr: Psychology.

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3. n4r9+a11[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 08:54:10
>>crazyg+e2
Can't you do that by just limiting the precision? You can only vote 1, 2, 3, 5 or 8 days. Not sure what "points" are adding. As far as I can tell, it's an attempt to account for estimation difficulties by introducing a "velocity" concept. But I think it makes things more complex without actually solving the issue.
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4. crazyg+oK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 15:29:16
>>n4r9+a11
Let me repeat myself:

> and people tend not to be overly optimistic and forget to account for things like sickness, meetings, etc.

> But again, for whatever psychological reason, people seem to be more realistic about the variance in actual delivered points per sprint, as opposed to when you try to measure things in hours or days. The points imply more of an estimated goal than a deadline guarantee, which helps keep both team expectations and management expectations more reasonable.

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5. n4r9+tW3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 08:56:49
>>crazyg+oK1
> and people tend not to be overly optimistic and forget to account for things like sickness, meetings, etc.

> people seem to be more realistic about the variance in actual delivered points per sprint, as opposed to when you try to measure things in hours or days

Okay I think I'm with you. In my team, the PM pre-calculates the number of available days in the sprint per developer before taking any estimates, factoring in planned holidays and estimates of sickness and meeting time, and adjusting for seniority. I guess points are kind of a crude way of doing the same thing.

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6. crazyg+576[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 21:17:21
>>n4r9+tW3
> I guess points are kind of a crude way of doing the same thing.

Right. But you sound awfully judgmental in saying "crude". I'd call it robust, and not trying to produce some kind of false over-precision. In other words, appropriate to the task at hand.

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7. n4r9+oK7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 10:19:24
>>crazyg+576
So how does your team adjust capacity planning in case of disruptions like annual leave, company all-hands days, public holidays etc... ? How do you figure out how many points to reduce by?
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