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1. wasmpe+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-08 02:11:07
There's a sneaky jab at ProtonMail at the end, so I feel the need to defend them a bit:

> How are secret keys managed?

Stored on proton's server, encrypted with a passphrase known only to the account holder. I believe they allow you to upload keys as well.

> How are public keys managed? (Trust on first use, web of trust, etc.?)

ProtonMail supports WKD: Email clients can automatically query a proton account's public key using HTTPS. You can also send your public key to people using all the old ways.

> Where does the encryption take place, and where does that code come from?

Proton distributes a FOSS application which integrates with a standard email client. Yes, I imagine most people use the webmail client. Not offering a webmail client was not an option.

> What doesn’t get encrypted? (Subject lines, etc.)

Yes, I believe Proton only does the message body and attachments.

> How does this work for people not using the same service? Does everything silently downgrade to plaintext?

Yes. This behavior is important to increase adoption, and is a similar compromise to the one that allowed the HTTP => HTTPS transition. Once encrypted email is normalized we can tighten the screws.

> I know that sounds rude or dismissive, but the situation is completely terrible and there’s no real political will to fix it. And you *need* political will to fix it.

You point out that email encryption is a political problem. The folks at Proton are aware of that and are actively working to solve that problem. Part of the solution requires having a simple thing you can point people to that they can use to encrypt their emails with no fuss, even if that thing isn't perfect.

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2. xeonmc+77[view] [source] 2026-01-08 03:08:47
>>wasmpe+(OP)
Would proton consider adding chatmail support? Or offering an inbox relay.
3. Grisu_+vF3[view] [source] 2026-01-09 05:28:47
>>wasmpe+(OP)
I dont know why, but i cant trust ProtonMail.

Everytime i see them mentioned i get this "Something is fishy with them" feeling.

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4. some_f+3O4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 15:15:59
>>Grisu_+vF3
http://fixupx.com/moughxyz/status/2008921646791344545 / https://archive.is/rhiix / https://ghostarchive.org/archive/aFnZw

This probably doesn't help things.

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