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The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.

>>fzeror+(OP)
Well that’s been the republican strategy for decades now. They only succeed by lying. The good news is that the country is still split pretty evenly 50/50. I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis.

Time will tell how this all shakes out but I’m mentally preparing myself for the worst case scenario.

>>fzeror+(OP)
They’re trying to claim that she attempted to “run them down” because she clips one of the ICE agents as she drives away.

>>therob+f2
> I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis.

There sure was opposition to them (while it was still possible), that sure changed after they had enough power to get you locked up and killed for trying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold

>>Dustin+I2
A trained police officer (following procedure) would have a damned good reason before drawing a weapon (let alone firing.)

Approaching someone in a car with a mask on and a gun out is not a good reason to shoot at them. That would terrify just about any citizen, and their reaction to flee would be expected.

>>therob+f2
Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc.

Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news.

Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assassination attempts.

>>fzeror+(OP)
I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country?

EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding:

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi...

> A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is killed by a moderator or by the software. They will only be shown to users who have showdead enabled in their profile. A submission can simultaneously be [flagged] and [dead].

>>Tadpol+rq
> the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment

No, it doesn't mean that. [flagged] is by users, not mods. [flagged][dead] means enough users have flagged it to kill it. [dead] alone is the result of moderator action (manual or automatic).

>>Tadpol+rq
I saw your comment, vouched for the comment you're referring to, and it reappeared. I don't have a full understanding of how vouching works; it could be that I was one of several, or that it was only coincidental that it reappeared just after I vouched for it.

>>Jtsumm+Jw
Thanks! That old thing must be outdated.

>>Hikiko+Gj
> They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc.

Speaking of which: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s...

>>Tadpol+rq
Individual comments are not always manually deleted; some users are shadowbanned and anything they post is automatically deleted.

>>hairof+Qx
Thanks for bringing my comment back online.

>>neogod+Bf
They did not follow any training in this incident

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...

>>therob+f2
> I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis.

They definitely did.

> I don’t know German history very well

It's worth revisiting. _The Nazi Seizure of Power_ by William Sherman Allen is available in a variety of formats and may be an accessible starting point for this. It does directly contain examples of resistance and opposition to Nazis, before, during, and after their seizure of power (albeit in just one town that the book focuses on).

>>DicIfT+0D
The victim of the shooting today was a woman married to a woman, as well.

>>therob+f2
https://youtu.be/1Wf-Y2_I91A?t=6064

>>fzeror+(OP)
I completely agree. It’s frightening that a government official (Noem) is already pushing a one-sided, matter-of-fact narrative so soon after such an obviously controversial incident. That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader. What’s frightening is they appear to be getting away with it.

>>gorgoi+os1
> That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader.

I disagree. This is the action of a competent propagandist. Getting a narrative out as fast as possible before facts are known very often works.

This isn't the only shooting by ICE and if you look at the press releases for all those shootings it's exactly the same thing, "the protestor was violently trying to ram the ICE agents who bravely used self defense to shoot at the vehicle".

It has worked up until this shooting, and I imagine the reason it's not working as well here is there's too much video evidence to the contrary.

>>therob+f2
Surprise then for you: there were fewer Nazi's in Germany in both an absolute and a relative sense than there are Republican voters / MAGA voters in the United States right now.