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1. tomcam+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:23:32
What lunacy?
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2. binary+b[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:24:15
>>tomcam+(OP)
Staunch anti-vaccine, and he's tearing apart the CDC wit regards to the same.
3. cr125r+n[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:24:53
>>tomcam+(OP)
We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise. Other global medical experts seem to be going against many of his plans.
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4. nancym+u[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:25:15
>>tomcam+(OP)
It's true - none of his conspiracy theories involve the moon directly.
5. thranc+h1[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:28:14
>>tomcam+(OP)
Antivax, avocated against pasteurization, thinks fries are healthy when fried in beef tallow, swam in sewers with his grandkids to prove the human body is naturally immune to diseases and vaccines are unnecessary, tried to ban paracetamol based on bad research linking it to autism, and much more if you care to dig a little.
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6. jjcm+32[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:31:00
>>tomcam+(OP)
Anti-vaccine, anti-tylenol, stating that circumcision causes autism, stating wireless 5G damages DNA, stating that vaccines are part of a anti-black conspiracy, hiv/aids denialism, believing that contrails are actually chemtrails, etc etc etc.
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7. altero+x2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:33:09
>>cr125r+n
> We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise

To clarify, this is an example of RFK's lunacy, not the user's opinion to be voted on.

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8. tomcam+U2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:34:26
>>jjcm+32
Can you link to your strongest source for one of those claims?
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9. tomcam+G3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:36:49
>>thranc+h1
He's never been anti-vax, though he has advocated for better data about vaccines with good reason--it's abominable. He's advocated against requiring milk to be pasteurized. One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish. The other ones sound weird so I will indeed dig a little.
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10. Carp+c4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:38:29
>>tomcam+U2
https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-s-inaccurate-claims...
11. deepsq+j4[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:38:42
>>tomcam+(OP)
AI generated health report citing hallucinated research and incorrectly representing real research.
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12. TehCor+o4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:38:55
>>jjcm+32
Link to chemtrails comments: https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-goes-full-tinfoil-pledges-to-stop...

Link to autism comments: https://www.cato.org/blog/circumcision-tylenol-autism-rfk-jr...

Misc including 5g comments: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-con...

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13. vscode+g5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 20:41:58
>>cr125r+n
The end result of his vax push has been to reduce the set of government required vaccines down to the same set used by Europe already. Additional vaccination is still available should an individual elect.

Are you of the opinion that the European recommendation is insufficient? Would you petition European healthcare industry that they are requiring too few vaccines? If so, I would expect Europeans to be chronically far more diseased than Americans, do we see that in the data?

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14. jmuguy+n9[view] [source] 2026-01-07 20:57:46
>>tomcam+(OP)
Listening to him talk about the Spanish Flu, and clearly not understand why secondary bacterial infections killed more people than the flu itself, was my personal point of "wow, this guy is an idiot".
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15. FireBe+Yc[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:09:37
>>tomcam+G3
Show us all how all the data on vaccines is "abominable".
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16. burkam+2d[view] [source] 2026-01-07 21:09:48
>>tomcam+(OP)
In his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" he spends a whole chapter claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS and it was actually caused by recreational drug use.
17. notaus+Jd[view] [source] 2026-01-07 21:11:54
>>tomcam+(OP)
He believes germ theory is a creation of Big Pharma to push "patented pills, powders, pricks, potions, and poisons and the powerful professions of virology and vaccinology"

He believes in the miasma theory and just maintaining a healthy immune is enough to keep you from getting sick.

Just read his book, "The Real Anthony Fauci" and you'll realize that this man shouldn't be trusted to run a kindergarten nurses office.

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18. amanap+Qd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:12:24
>>vscode+g5
The argument I've seen is that because the US has worse medical care in general, it makes sense to get more vaccinations.
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19. j0057+If[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:19:39
>>vscode+g5
I haven't particularly kept up with RFKs brand of MAGA craziness, but all European countries have different childhood vaccination schedules, with some overlap, see here: https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-va...
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20. Izikie+sg[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:22:18
>>vscode+g5
They are based on denmark's guidelines, which as you know is a very cold country.

One of the vaccines made strictly optional was for dengue, which is not really a thing in denmark since I think they don't have that many mosquitos due to weather.

However, in the US, mosquitos and tropical weather are common for a large part of the population.

Point being, a huge country with a huge variety of climates and diseases shouldn't follow the lead of a small country with a fairly homogenous weather and disease pattern.

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21. hn_acc+bi[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:28:27
>>vscode+g5
Once those additional vaccines are off the "routine" schedule, they'll be pulled by the suppliers, because it eliminates exemption from lawsuits. If you "choose" a non-routine vaccination, people can then sue pharma for ANY harm, and you can be sure there'll be a bunch of crackpot right-wingers trying to prove each one is "bad" and they'll disappear sooner or later. RFK's fans (Del Bigtree) have admitted that this is their plan. And if they're NOT routine, they'll probably not be covered by insurance, so you'll have to pay hundreds or thousands to get one. I would still do that, but not many others will.

Electing to get all ZERO optional vaccines actually available to you because of "reasons" isn't much of a choice.

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22. hairof+bp[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 21:55:18
>>tomcam+G3
While he moderates his take on it depending on who his audience is, he has said "There's no vaccine that is safe and effective."

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-preside...

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23. cosmic+mr[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:05:00
>>FireBe+Yc
Don't you remember how everyone who got a covid vaccine died off two years later?
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24. jimbob+Fr[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:05:54
>>hn_acc+bi
"Once those additional vaccines are off the "routine" schedule, they'll be pulled by the suppliers, because it eliminates exemption from lawsuits"

Why is this bad? From one of the threads - "There IS scrutiny on vaccines, by the scientific and medical community - your "scrutiny" (as presumably neither a PhD in a relevant field or MD) is not valuable or relevant. There is decades of research that says that currently recommended vaccines are safe and effective."

OK, then there won't be grounds for lawsuits or lawsuits will be easily dismissed.

"you can be sure there'll be a bunch of crackpot right-wingers trying to prove each one is "bad" and they'll disappear sooner or later" - This logic can be applied to literally any product, be it a medicine, a vaccine, or any consumer good. Somehow pharma companies are able to sell any other drug without going into bankruptcy.

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25. codeka+hv[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:23:06
>>tomcam+G3
> One of the few reasonable datasets suggesting it doesn't help is the amish

When you literally live on the farm where the cow is milked, there is less benefit to pasteurization, yes. Unless you want us to live like the Amish, then let's keep our pasteurized milk, OK?

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26. tomcam+Oy[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:39:32
>>cr125r+n
Kennedy has never said anything like that
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27. tomcam+2z[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:40:24
>>codeka+hv
Should we be forced to drink pasteurized milk?
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28. ericd+JA[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:47:36
>>thranc+h1
Acetaminophen, honestly, shouldn't be recommended so frequently, especially for kids, and if he's against it, I view that as a big point in his favor. The distance between the therapeutic and liver toxic doses is too small for kids, less than 2.5x the max recommended dose, and it's based on kid's weight, so very young kids can't really be given the amount shown on the box. For example, a hepatotoxic dose for my 5 year old based on their weight is just 3/4 of the adult daily max recommended dose. That's a pointy-ass UX failure.

Growing up, my mom, a pediatrician, never let tylenol in the house because she saw too many kids come through the pediatric ER with liver failure because of it in her hospital shifts. It's the leading cause of acute liver toxicity in the US.

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29. tomcam+2B[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:48:45
>>TehCor+o4
The Cato.org one is interesting because it only speculates what might have influenced him, then attempts to debunk those sources.

Obviously I feel like he should be providing his sources.

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30. gowld+PB[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:53:11
>>jimbob+Fr
Cerebral palsy, a naturally occuring disorder, generates $10M in "malpractice" payouts, part of why giving birth in USA is so expensive.
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31. TehCor+VE[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 23:09:55
>>tomcam+2B
I chose that source intentionally to underscore that nobody on any part of the political spectrum is actually contesting he said or believes these things. Regardless of how they choose to view them.
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32. thranc+nN[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 00:00:06
>>tomcam+2z
You were never forced to, don't change the subject. Issue is with the secretary of health spreading obvious lies about pasteurization, a process that saved countless lives over the course of more than a century.
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33. lithoc+zW[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 01:05:45
>>codeka+hv
Some of us do want to live near where our food comes from and eat it fresh. I haven't seen anyone advocating that pasteurization should be banned, just that raw milk should be un-banned.
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34. wsatb+a01[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 01:28:28
>>tomcam+Oy
"There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective."

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectl...

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35. rafram+y31[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 01:51:24
>>ericd+JA
> The distance between the therapeutic and liver toxic doses is too small for kids, less than 2.5x the max recommended dose

If you’re giving your kid 2.5x the listed maximum dose of a medication, that’s on you.

> a hepatotoxic dose for my 5 year old based on their weight is just 3/4 of the adult daily max recommended dose

Sure, and even a small drink of alcohol can poison a kid. Something being OK for adults doesn’t make it OK for kids. Read the packaging.

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36. ericd+rb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 02:49:46
>>rafram+y31
It causes >100k cases of poisoning in the US every year. RTFM isn't working.
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37. vscode+he1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 03:16:36
>>Izikie+sg
Are you familiar with any European country that does schedule a dengue vaccine? It is not listed here: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/
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38. vscode+we1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 03:19:02
>>j0057+If
The superset of all Euro vaccines is still much smaller than what the US had. Are we that much healthier?
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39. davora+8H1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 08:06:16
>>vscode+we1
What is on the US schedule that is not on Euro schedule?
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40. burkam+Et2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 14:42:33
>>tomcam+Oy
Some direct, in-context quotes:

> There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective. [interviewer pushes back, brings up polio vaccine] So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, “Yes.” And if say to me, “Did it cause more death than avert?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.”

> The most popular vaccine in the world is the DTP vaccine. [...] That vaccine caused so many injuries that Wyeth, which was the manufacturer, said to the Reagan administration, “We are now paying $20 in downstream liabilities for every dollar that we’re making in profits, and we are getting out of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability.” And by the way, Reagan said at that time, “Why don’t you just make the vaccine safe?” And why is that? Because vaccines are inherently unsafe. They said, “Unavoidably unsafe, you cannot make them safe.”

Not going quote the whole thing because it's long, but he repeatedly drives home his point that all vaccines are inherently unsafe, and the injuries and deaths they cause always outweigh their effectiveness against disease.

- https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/

> I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child.

> If you’re one of 10 people that goes up to a guy, a man or a woman, who’s carrying a baby, and says, ‘Don’t vaccinate that baby,’ when they hear that from 10 people, it’ll make an impression on ‘em, you know. And we all kept our mouth shut. Don’t keep your mouth shut anymore. Confront everybody on it.

- https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-th... timestamp 11:54, 13:30

This one is interesting because the interviewer prompts him with something like "we aren't anti-vaccine, we just want to make sure they're safe" and he does not agree, he repeatedly says, with no qualification, "tell everyone not to vaccinate their children".

I don't believe he has ever voluntarily made a positive public comment about any vaccine. He did during his confirmation hearing, but he was obviously heavily incentivized to do so. During that hearing he did not say his opinion had changed, he simply lied about all past comments and claimed they never happened.

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41. burkam+ey2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 15:02:38
>>davora+8H1
Here's the US vaccine schedule pre-RFK: https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10...

Here's a site where you can view vaccine schedules across Europe: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/

The only outlier is Hepatitis A, which is still recommended in some European countries. On the reverse side, the meningococcal vaccine is commonly scheduled in Europe but not in the US.

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42. Izikie+iSn[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 21:29:42
>>vscode+he1
Maybe because dengue is not endemic in Europe? And it is in the Americas?
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