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I'm not a javascript person so I was trying to understand this. if i get it right this is basically a way to avoid writing backend APIs and manually calling them with fetch or axios as someone traditionally would do. The closest comparison my basic java backend brain can make is dynamically generating APIs at runtime using reflection, which is something I would never do... I'm lazy but not dumb

>>javaki+(OP)
Not even remotely similar.

>>IceDan+wm
Care to elaborate on what it is like, then?

>>javaki+(OP)
There is a certain category of developers (a category that multiplied in size many times over around the same time as the boom in coding bootcamps, take that for what you will) who believe that there's virtue in running the same code on the client and the server, despite them being totally different paradigms with different needs. This kind of thing is the predictable result.

>>IceDan+wm
Actually he's more or less correct.

>>mvdtnz+oo
to be fair to bootcamp developers, i don't think they ever did "believe that there's virtue" in the setup, they were just told this is what you use and how you use it.

>>mvdtnz+oo
It's just the latest take on what we had 20 years ago with .NET's WebForms and Java's JSF. Both of which tried to hide the network separation between client and server and were not fun to work with.

Those who don't learn history are bound to repeat it, and all that.

>>mvdtnz+oo
"You can run JavaScript on the frontend and the backend!" always struck me as the weakest marketing ever. I've been around the block, and which language the web application uses is hardly any sort of limiting factor in ease of development. (And ideally, your frontend has as little JavaScript as possible anyway.) There is very little that can't be programmed in a more web-friendly way, like POSTing forms and rendering HTML templates. Sure, I guess Google Maps can just be a fat application, but like... every eCommerce site doesn't need to be some big ball of React mud, I promise.

>>ventur+uc1
I think the main problem was that 'the standard' wasn't evolving fast enough to solve the bulk of the issues around input validation and UI building so we got this crap language that is powerful enough to hide a thousand footguns in a few lines of code. It will never be perfect so it will generate this kind of issue for the next century or so.

If instead, we would have gradually expanded the HTML standard without adding a fully functional programming language into the content stream we would have had better consistency between websites and applications and we would treat the browser like what it is: a content delivery mechanism, not an application programming platform. That's the core mistake as far as I'm concerned.

>>javaki+(OP)
It's an RPC. They're half a century old. Java had RMI within a year of existence. [0]

> In remote procedure call systems, client-side stub code must be generated and linked into a client before a remote procedure call can be done. This code may be either statically linked into the client or linked in at run-time via dynamic linking with libraries available locally or over a network file system. In either the case of static or dynamic linking, the specific code to handle an RPC must be available to the client machine in compiled form... Dynamic stub loading is used only when code for a needed stub is not already available. The argument and return types specified in the remote interfaces are made available using the same mechanism. Loading arbitrary classes into clients or servers presents a potential security problem;

https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/6.824-2009/papers/waldo-r...

>>mvdtnz+oo
> There is a certain category of developers (a category that multiplied in size many times over around the same time as the boom in coding bootcamps, take that for what you will) who believe that there's virtue in running the same code on the client and the server, despite them being totally different paradigms with different needs.

First, "same code on the client and the serve" is wrong. Since when do RSC's run on both the client and the server?

Also, you honestly believe that wanting to use the same language across paradigms is a "coding bootcamp" thing lol? That something like Blazor was born out of a coding bootcamp?

Have you ever built a web app? Both front and back end? Have you ever had to deal with the tension of duplicating code? Models, validation, ideas?

If you answered yes to those questions but still don't see how de-duplicating code like that can be important, than I'm 100% positive you're still in the boot camp.