The level of persistence these guys went through to phish at scale is astounding—which is how they gained most of their access. They’d otherwise look up API endpoints on GitHub and see if there were any leaked keys (he wasn’t fond of GitHub's automated scanner).
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Do you mean they thought the scanner was effective and weren't fond of it because it disrupted their business? Or do you mean they had a low opinion of the scanner because it was ineffective?
They themselves are likely to some extent the victims of social engineering as well. After all who benefits from creating exploits for online games and getting children to become script kiddies? Its easier (and probably safer) to make money off of cyber crime if your role isn't committing the crimes yourself. It isn't illegal to create premium software that could in theory be use for crime if you don't market it that way.
explain
Who is making money off of selling premium software, that's not marketed as for cybercrime, to non-governmental attackers? Wouldn't the attackers just pirate it?
But he shrugged it off.
I bet there are quite a few shops online that may sell gift cards that are used in money laundering schemes. Bonus points if they accept bitcoin.
But those are all quite implicitly used by cybercrime. I can imagine there are quite a few tools at their disposal that are much more explicit.
To gift to a 529 regardless of the financial institution, you go to some random ugift529.com site and put in a code plus all your financial info. This is considered the gold standard.
To get a payout from a class-action lawsuit that leaked your data, you must go to some other random site (usually some random domain name loosely related to the settlement recently registered by kroll) and enter basically more PII than was leaked in the first place.
To pay your fed taxes with a credit card, you must verify your identity with some 3rd party site, then go to yet another 3rd party site to enter your CC info.
This is insane and forces/trains people to perform actions that in many other scenarios lead to a phishing attack.
did you have bulletproof hosting and they caught you through other means like going after your payment providers or you made opsec mistakes or how exactly?
was it a website like Sportsurge where it simply linked to streams or did it actually host the streams?
Yes, we've (the software industry) been training people to practice poor OpSec for a very long time, so it's not surprising at all that corporate cybersecurity training is largely ineffective. We violate our own rules all the time
> Wouldn't the attackers just pirate it?
Sometimes the software is SaaS (yes, even crimeware is SaaS now). In other cases, it has heavy DRM. Besides that, attackers often want regular updates to avoid things like antivirus detections.
Maybe if you expected everyone to copy-paste the info into the form? That might work
Phone/laptop based biometrics?
Public/private keys with a second factor (like biometrics) as identity I think is a good option. A way to announce who you are, without actually revealing your identity (or your email address).
Tbh that's how all the age verification crap should work too for the countries that want to go down that road instead of having people upload a copy of their actual ID to some random service that is 100% guaranteed going to get breached and leaked.
We need psuedoanonymous verification
I was involved in probably 15 operations with them while I was there. They would usually get C&C within six hours, every single time it was phishing lol.
If I want to use a passkey on my phone, I have to bio authenticate into it. Similarly, with Windows Hello as a passkey provider, via my camera scanner. It works well and is pretty seamless, all things considered. I prefer it to the email/code/magic link method.
But if we're holding users accountable because 1 out of every 100 clicks a link in a phishing email like clockwork, we're bad at both statistics and security.
I mean, what's the point of their SSO if you're just going to need to verify it with an email code anyways?
You really do fully own and control your identity, and if you botch it and lose your top level keys, no one else can give you a "forgot password" recovery.
If this level of unforgiveness were dropped onto everyone overnight, it would mean infinite lost life savings and houses and just mass chaos.
Still I think it would be the better world where that was somehow actually adopted. The responsibility problem would be no problem if was simply the understood norm all along that you have this super important thing and here is how you handle it so you don't lose your house and life savings etc.
If you grew up with this fact of life and so did everyone else, it would be no problem at all. If it had been developed and adopted at the dawn of computers so that you learned this right along with learning what a compuer was in the first place, no problem. It's only a problem now that there are already 8 billion people all using computer-backed services without ever having to worry about anything before.
The real reason it's never gonna happen is exactly because it delivers on the most important promise of end user ultimate agency and actual security.
No company can own it, or own end users use of it. It can not be used for vendor lock in or data collection or profiling or government back doors or censorship or discrimination or any of the things that holding someone's password or the entire auth technology can be used for to have control over users.
No (large) company nor any government has any interest in that, and it's way too technical for 99.99% of people to understand the problems with all the other popular auth systems so there will be no overwhelming popular uprising forcing the issue, and so it will never happen.
A method already exists (I think), that solves the hard problems and delivers the thing everyone says they want, and everything else claims to be groping for, but we will never get to use it.
well, no wonder they’re after you as a demographic.
This is how I found out quite a few scams (apart from obvious ones with improper wording or visual formatting, but those are on purpose so bad to catch only most unskilled or gullible, ie your grandma)
1. It said "Dear User" instead of a name/username;
2. It talked about how they were upgrading their forum software and as such would require me to re-login;
3. It gave me a link to click in the email without any stated alternative;
4. It warned me that if I didn't do this, I would no longer be able to access the forum;
5. The domain of the URL that the link went to was not microsoft.com, but a different domain that had "microsoft" in it.
It was a textbook example for how a phishing email would look, and yet it was actually a legitimate email from Microsoft!
I haven't had any others like it since, but that was an eye-opener for sure.
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[Edit: Fixed a detail I misremembered.]
"Something you have" is far more useful, especially if that something is itself cryptographically-based. Yubikeys, RSA fobs (generating one-time codes), and wearable NFC tokens (rings, amulets), and the like, which may be autheticated in part based on biometrics and other attestation, but are themselves revokable, would be a far better standard.
What the General Public can be expected to utilise willingly and effectively seems to be the larger problem, as well as what commercial and governmental standards are established.
(I've had at least one PGP/GPG key for the past quarter century or so myself.)
or a month.
Sooner, if they help with relocation.