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1. jalape+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-10-28 15:59:54
Someone please enlighten me: what is the point of an AI-generated Wikipedia when we're all now using (Wikipedia-trained) AIs directly instead of Wikipedias?
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2. milton+G1[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:07:44
>>jalape+(OP)
From the wikipedia on grokipedia:

"Following the public launch of Grokipedia, it was criticised for publishing false information. Wired reported that "The new AI-powered Wikipedia competitor falsely claims that pornography worsened the AIDS epidemic and that social media may be fueling a rise in transgender people."

So, it's a way of Musk using AI to propagandize on a large scale.

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3. j2kun+T1[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:08:19
>>jalape+(OP)
Perhaps to muddy future corpora
4. Spivak+h2[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:10:43
>>jalape+(OP)
It's Conservapedia, authored by AI, and exists to present the world as seen through the eyes of Mr. Musk. The hope is that through AI it can be comprehensive enough to be useful and if enough people adopt it you can quietly put your thumb on the scale to make truth what you say it is.
5. this_u+G5[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:25:23
>>jalape+(OP)
So that new AI models can then be trained on the AI-generated Wikipedia.
6. etchal+Z5[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:26:42
>>jalape+(OP)
Grok trained on Wikipedia so it could generate a version of Wikipedia that reflected Musk's views that could then be used to train future versions of Grok.
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7. reaper+9d[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 16:55:38
>>milton+G1
social media may be fueling a rise in transgender people

So one part of the Musk empire is fueling a thing that another part of the Musk empire doesn't like.

Seems like the problem is in one hand, and the solution is in the other.

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8. embedd+te[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:00:50
>>reaper+9d
> Seems like the problem is in one hand, and the solution is in the other.

I think that's a common thread with what Musk does. On one hand, his companies rely on money from the US government, then with the other he's helping firing a lot of people in the government supposedly to save money.

On one hand, he's trying to run for AGI and manage a LLM company that use vast amount of resources. On the other hand he's trying to sell electric vehicles because vast amount of resources are being used.

I guess it kind of makes sense in some way, but also he could probably better help those efforts by just stopping doing the other thing, but that probably conflicts with his other more important goals.

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9. hedora+iq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:48:47
>>embedd+te
His behavior only made sense to me after I realized his dynastic wealth came from apartheid-era mines.
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10. downri+Gq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:50:28
>>etchal+Z5
newspeak
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11. benphl+5r[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:51:23
>>milton+G1
Are these false claims? From Grokipedia:

> This marked the onset of what would become a devastating crisis disproportionately affecting gay male communities, where behaviors idealized in pornography—such as unprotected receptive anal intercourse and multiple anonymous partners—aligned directly with primary transmission routes, leading to rapid seroconversion rates.

This sounds plausible. Is it factually incorrect?

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12. moritz+9r[view] [source] 2025-10-28 17:51:31
>>jalape+(OP)
It makes sense to people who don't know what an encyclopedia or an AI chatbot are, respectively.

It's ideal to poison the web with arbitrarily distorted texts that are a mix of facts and lies, and will be picked up by others, from AI to Zoomer school essay.

There is no point except for manipulation. Right now, you have to be pretty inept to think that a language AI could contribute anything valuable to an encyclopedia.

But maybe, this will change, the group of people who consider Chatbot output as insightful about the real world seems to be growing.

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13. slater+ss[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:57:10
>>benphl+5r
Why not have the decency to respond with your real HN account, instead of making a new account just to post tedious sealioning?

[this is the point at which you swear up, down and sideways that you've never ever in your whole life had a HN account, this is your first account ever, how dare i, etc. etc. etc.]

Edit to answer your totally-asked-in-good-faith question: Causation != correlation.

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14. benphl+Ku[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 18:04:21
>>slater+ss
It is a genuine question. If you don't want to engage in intellectual curiosity on this topic, please do not respond at all. Thank you.
15. rsynno+DA[view] [source] 2025-10-28 18:32:45
>>jalape+(OP)
Safe space for Musk. He's been upset about Wikipedia for years (I suspect because it refuses to buy into his headcanon that he founded Tesla.)
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16. dreamc+YV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 19:53:53
>>rsynno+DA
His own entry in grokpedia [0] says two conflicting things:

"Musk founded SpaceX in 2002 as CEO and chief engineer, Tesla in 2003 where he became CEO in 2008..."

and later on the same page,

"...the company [Tesla] had been founded in 2003 by engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning with a focus on high-performance EVs."

Grok can't seem to keep its story straight.

[0] https://grokipedia.com/page/Elon_Musk

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17. stubis+A41[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 20:31:51
>>benphl+5r
Yes, it is factually incorrect.

Now you have two unsubstantiated opinions contradicting each other.

18. Yizahi+ug1[view] [source] 2025-10-28 21:28:28
>>jalape+(OP)
It reduces a barrier to entry, so less knowledgeable people can access the same information without inputting a prompt and then corrections. Also a person using an LLM directly may accidentally produce a progressive/liberal result, which is not good. So while for now it seems Elonopedia is mostly automated, in the future I foresee that young energetic party members will vet the most popular articles, to follow the party line.
19. breppp+7b2[view] [source] 2025-10-29 05:30:41
>>jalape+(OP)
Generally the UX could be an advantage, the hypertext format of wikipedia and length is nicer when you want to go on a random knowledge walk compared to LLMs.

Regarding the Wikipedia trained Ouroboros models, you can argue that the Wikipedia training is mostly there to learn to summarize sources and translate, and once you have the original sources the LLM might do a better job than humans

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