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2. Reuben+o1[view] [source] 2025-10-22 11:34:42
>>jonbae+(OP)
Last time these folks were mentioned on HN, there was a lot of skepticism that this is really possible to do. The issue is cooling: in space, you can't rely on convection or conduction to do passive cooling, so you can only radiate away heat. However, the radiator would need to be several kilometers big to provide enough cooling, and obviously launching such a large object into space would therefore eat up any cost savings from the "free" solar power.

More discussion: >>43977188

26. bearja+L4[view] [source] 2025-10-22 12:00:40
>>jonbae+(OP)
We've officially lost the plot, we will now ship our AI data centers to ~space~ ... This will not work with modern technology.

The sun will be eclipsed by earth many times per day, requiring you to either shift all workloads or add substantial UPS weight. The radiator grid you need to cool 125kw is something like 16x the size of the entire data center.

I watched this video last week that went into 3 different scenarios, it's a good watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcR7kqOb3o

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38. einrea+N5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 12:06:50
>>gtsnex+l3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLzEX1TPBFM
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71. gtsnex+0g[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 13:02:49
>>philip+7f
p3 of their white paper https://starcloudinc.github.io/wp.pdf akshually...
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72. heeton+gg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 13:04:34
>>rolisz+c6
I enjoyed seeing it described in those games :)

I'm pretty sure it was that series that also described https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_droplet_radiator , with the side effects of different ships having very distinct heat patterns because of their radiator patterns. And that if a ship ever had to make a turn while they were active, big glowing arcs of slowly-cooling droplets would be flung out into space and leave a kind of heat plume.

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75. mr_toa+oi[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 13:12:54
>>bearja+L4
> The sun will be eclipsed by earth many times per day

Depends on the orbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_angle

91. black6+yq[view] [source] 2025-10-22 13:47:51
>>jonbae+(OP)
I still like Keith Lofstrom's Server Sky concept.

http://server-sky.com/ServerSky

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104. cubefo+It[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 14:00:10
>>bearja+L4
Yeah, I just wanted to link to the same video.

By the way, the same channel also has a sobering video on commercial space stations. https://youtube.com/watch?v=2G60Y3ydtqY

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105. userna+Tt[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 14:00:43
>>righth+gf
"Naughtiness," to use the technical term (https://paulgraham.com/founders.html).
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108. zamada+Hu[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 14:04:36
>>eptcyk+9t
I thought server CPUs already handled this? E.g. for Epyc https://moorinsightsstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/...

> Because caches hold the most recent and most relevant data to the current processing, it is critical that this data be accurate. To enable this, AMD has designed EPYC with multiple tiers of cache protection. The level 1 data cache includes SEC-DED ECC, which can detect two-bit errors and correct single-bit errors. Through parity and retry, L1 data cache tag errors and L1 instruction cache errors are automatically corrected. The L2 and L3 caches are extended even further with the ability to correct double errors and detect triple errors.

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116. Polize+vx[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 14:17:54
>>dlisbo+3u
No. It would need to be larger, probably by a factor of 3 or 4, for a couple reasons.

1) The atmosphere attenuates sunlight (even when it's not cloudy)

2) The solar array in orbit can pivot to face the sun all the time.

3) While most orbits will go into earth's shadow some of the time, on average they'll be in sunlight more of the time than a typical point on the surface.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance

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133. Mistle+lF[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 14:52:12
>>bpicol+I5
https://longbets.org/
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142. dablue+oM[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 15:17:17
>>LunaSe+Al
> Either the satellite is geostationary and doesn't have 24h / 24h sun exposure as energy source.

Due to the Earth's axial tilt [1], geostationary orbits generally have 24 hour sun exposure, except for a few minutes a day around the equinoxes [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

[2] https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/our-satellites/currently-flying/...

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160. bbzyls+101[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 16:09:49
>>dablue+oM
You can even see this in action via NOAA's CCOR-1: https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/earth-makes-appearances-goes-...
173. runlev+f51[view] [source] 2025-10-22 16:31:19
>>jonbae+(OP)
Their numbers strike me as very optimistic:

    *Table 1. Cost comparison of a single 40 MW cluster operated for 10 years in space vs on land.*

    | Cost Item                     | Terrestrial                     | Space
    |:------------------------------|:--------------------------------|:----------------
    | Energy (10 years)             | $140m @ $0.04 per kWh           | $2m cost of solar array
    | Launch                        | None                            | $5m (single launch of compute module, solar & radiators)
    | Cooling (chiller energy cost) | $7m @ 5% of overall power usage | More efficient cooling architecture taking advantage of higher ΔT in space
    | Water usage                   | 1.7m tons @ 0.5L/kWh            | Not required
    | Enclosure (Sat. Bus/Building) | Approximately equivalent cost   | Approximately equivalent cost
    | Backup power supply           | $20m                            | Not required
    | All other DC hardware         | Approximately equivalent cost   | Approximately equivalent cost
    | Radiation shielding           | Not required                    | $1.2m @ 1 kg of shielding per kW of compute and $30/kg launch cost
    | Cost Balance                  | $167m                           | $8.2m
Source: Page 4 of their whitepaper https://starcloudinc.github.io/wp.pdf
187. drunx+ee1[view] [source] 2025-10-22 17:14:41
>>jonbae+(OP)
I'm by no means closer or educated enough on astrophysics or anything to do with space. Hence I have a very "commoner" question:

- asteroids? Debris? It's there even any risk of anything significantly big to be damaged by something flying by?

"About once a year, an automobile-sized asteroid hits Earth’s atmosphere, creates an impressive fireball, and burns up before reaching the surface."

I assume a good old "Prius" might have opinions about such construction of it flies through it.

But I guess "space is big", risks are low?

https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/asteroid-fast-fa...

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201. DontBr+Gx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 18:42:20
>>lawles+Hs1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generat...

> and even the nuclear decay (due to practical considerations the latter, as well as the atmospheric noise, is not viable except for fairly restricted applications or online distribution services)

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216. NoPick+Oa2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-22 22:11:55
>>dablue+VO
Reading the paper they wrote on this from their GitHub site, it does take into account the thermal management aspects quite considerably.

https://starcloudinc.github.io/wp.pdf

Your thinking seems more risk averse, which is similar to myself. However that doesn't mean that without the business drivers these types of things can't happen if enough attention is given too it. Costs are often because we're comparing one thing which has significant efficiencies built into the supply chain, vs something that doesn't, which by virtue drives up the cost. Perhaps Nvidia have money to burn on trying something.

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