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1. flound+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-10-12 14:46:36
Might sound elitist but the average person isn’t curious enough to figure this stuff out, and above all else they’re lazy. If it’s not a one click install and does something better than what they’re using, why would they switch?

The average person is fine giving up their data and time in exchange for entertainment and convenience. Free software is good but it comes at the cost of time, you have to learn and be at least semi-competent with a terminal and/or Linux to truly use most FOSS stuff and it’s just beyond the average person. They either don’t have the interest, or don’t have the capability to learn it and for all intents and purposes those are fundamentally equivalent.

Honestly, nothing “bad” has happened to most people as a result of data harvesting. The Equifax breach got a ton of people, including hardcore privacy nerds. There’s just some stuff you can’t turn off to participate in modern society.

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2. Imusta+C1[view] [source] 2025-10-12 15:01:24
>>flound+(OP)
100% agree that most people aren't curious about it.

but still, that is why I mentioned some priorities in sharing open source. If I share some niche golang/rust tool, I am sure most people wouldn't care but if I share something like f-droid/signal. I feel like that can help out a lot of people instead.

The result of data harvesting is not a breach. but the whole system that it is right now, for all such data harvesting imo, the most common fraction seems to be hate which gets the most engagement which is why to me most social media feels hateful off the start and why its linked to some of the issues we have right now. Its definitely escalated.

There are some genuine problems in economies all around the world yet if those nations leaders try to scapegoat, trying to create a us vs them, its not a good fix and shit might break and we would all be too invested in watching yt shorts.

What I am advocating with foss is also federation/curated social media with no algorithms but that is the step two imo. The step one to mass adoption for such things might be to have people more familiar/comfortable with open source.

Overall, we need to fight on both fronts if we want change. Both algorithmic and open source apps based. Some open source apps are predatory, they will charge you recurring and hope you forget. Some cheap/quickly built games which can be open source for android for all purposes aren't open source right now and they exploit children's lack of financial knowledge in that sense(scams of sorts).

I think people will create 10$ subscriptions to a local text editor in this world. I just wish instead of people spending those 10$ there or somewhere else, why can't we donate to open source as a society so that the software can be more complete/helpful to even more people and so on and so on...

What are your thoughts?

3. raw_an+aE2[view] [source] 2025-10-13 14:34:01
>>flound+(OP)
There are millions of things in the world today that I’m not “curious” about. I’m sure a car mechanic could wonder why people aren’t interested in rebuilding a motor or a construction worker would wonder why people aren’t interested in doing their own major renovations - actually no they wouldn’t.

Only geeks seem to elevate a computer to some type of religious thing that should be more than just a tool. This is coming from someone who started coding in assembly in the 6th grade in 1986.

But in the year of our lord 2025 at 51, the computer and technology is just an enablement tool for me to accomplish something else or a means for me to trade my labor for money to support my addiction to food and shelter. I have a dozen things I would rather be doing after I get off of work than futz around with technology.

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4. bigfis+1O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-13 20:51:30
>>raw_an+aE2
Sure, but what if the only mechanic you could take your car to was the dealership? What if household repairs couldn't be done by anyone but the original builder? This is the situation most software is in.
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5. raw_an+iT3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-13 21:29:50
>>bigfis+1O3
And if I have a problem with my software am I going to hire a developer to fix a bug I find in the Linux kernel? An I going to use my own fork and then every time the main fork is changed ask the developer to merge it?
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6. bigfis+364[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-13 23:14:08
>>raw_an+iT3
Sure, or you can have the developer you hired submit your patches upstream so others can benefit from them too. Or you can wait around for someone else to do it. But to demand support for free from volunteers isn't it; don't expect something for nothing.
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7. raw_an+hg4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-14 00:44:58
>>bigfis+364
You mean I should pay for software and not depend on open surge software?

But as far as just getting it merged upstream is not that simple depending on who the maintainers are or the nature of the change.

I actually have an anecdote. I use to work at AWS Professional Services and I was on a a rag tag team maintaining and adding features to am open source project that started off as a code sample in blog post. But got more and more popular over time in its niche and added features.

It was so popular that when I left AWS, that the interviewer asked me what project I was most proud of and when I mentioned it, the questions basically stopped and they made me an offer two days later.

AWS has a lot open source initiatives and GitHub organizations. The easiest organization to release products in with the lowest overhead is AWS Samples.

https://github.com/aws-samples

The process to get approved is dead simple and once I knew the process, I was able to turn around getting my own code that was sanitized from customer projects in there in less than two days. I had eight of my own projects in there that I legally, ethically and with approval allowed me to take some of my code with me that I used across two other companies.

But back to the main point. This other project where I had commit rights, I could easily fork it, make modifications for a customer, submit my pull request after testing it and get it merged in within less than a month, as could a former coworker who was retired and made and submitted changes for some non profits who he was working with for free.

Then the project became so popular and more strategic for AWS that while it stayed open source, it was moved to be an “AWS Solution”.

https://github.com/aws-solutions

Even I who was still on the internal team at the time had to wait months and go through a series of justifications to get anything merged in to a release. I doubt now that even though I am still friends with the Principal Architect on the project among others could get a change merged in even though before I left I was still the third highest contributor because of all of the red tape.

On a happy note though. I saw what was going to happen before it got put under the AWS Solution group and I added as my last pull request an extension mechanism that allowed you to register Lambda extensions to extend the project without modifying the base code.

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8. bigfis+3Pc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-16 17:03:29
>>raw_an+hg4
> You mean I should pay for software and not depend on open surge software?

I mean you should pay for software and not depend on free work from the maintainers of open source software.

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