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1. mrtksn+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-09-30 21:35:47
> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible,

Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them.

JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternatives don't exist not because Europeans can't code but because EU market is open to US companies and there's no reason for duplicate effort as winner takes it all thanks to network effects. EU capital just invests in USA based companies that operate in EU. It's much easier, lower taxes lower worker protection standards etc. Also, US has much more capital to burn to corner the markets, they also just go ahead and buy anything European i.e. Skype. and not risk competition.

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2. harvey+x[view] [source] 2025-09-30 21:39:18
>>mrtksn+(OP)
If you think that's a lot of electricity, you're going to be amazed how much they can spend on bureaucracy before they even start building anything.
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3. mrtksn+g1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 21:44:18
>>harvey+x
Electricity bureaucracy, whatever doesn't matter. Huge money is invested into making programmers obsolete and they are claiming that it already happens. If the tech is real, Europeans can just tell it to make them all these apps that American companies may choose to deprive EU to teach them a lesson.

If the AI tech is real then Europeans get their apps no need for American companies anymore. If the tech isn't real then the chat app makers(in Europe that's all Meta, WhatsApp + Messenger. Apple is a no go due to low market share) lose half of their revenue to teach Europeans a lesson. Europeans them switch to Signal, Telegram(Popular all over the place) or Viber(this one popular in Eastern Europe).

If they all decide to boycott, there you have opportunity to hit a 400M market. Let's say Europeans can make AAA games but can't code a chat app, give visa to US developers that were laid off for the last many years to come over. Maybe it's politically unpopular? Maybe they are not the best? That's fine, EU is an open market - anyone who is interested in making billions can just make a chat app and take over the EU market. Indians, Chinese, Turks, Africans, Americans that earn less than billions of dollars. It's a huge opportunity. Instantly.

Meta made $38.4 billion USD revenue in EU last year. It's very unlikely that no one will be interested in taking that. US companies aren't doing charity to EU, it's always their second largest revenue stream after USA.

4. bapak+Y3[view] [source] 2025-09-30 22:04:05
>>mrtksn+(OP)
I hate this so bad. You know that the solution will be that EU will block US companies (who do not comply) so EU users will eventually get their own WhatsApp called MsgMeNow. The result is that nobody can talk to people outside their own jurisdiction.

This is effectively what we see in China. They only use WeChat, I was unable to register because it says I need someone to verify my account when I try to do it (this has been happening since 2018)

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5. LightB+L4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 22:09:25
>>bapak+Y3
Maybe that's a good thing. Have you read Snowcrash?
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6. mrtksn+P4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 22:09:38
>>bapak+Y3
Yes, that's the only way for EU to have a tech industry. That's also how any non-US tech industry exists.
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7. MammaM+Pa[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 22:50:58
>>bapak+Y3
No worries! Trump will call Den Von Deleten, whatever her name is -- and she will just do what she is told whatever is the thing she is told to do. Exactly like it already happened with EU buying $700B of natural gas. We paid just a bit over $100B to Russians for the same thing... but you know... Trump told, so here we go!
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8. lmz+Bc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 23:02:07
>>mrtksn+P4
Social network balkanization through mutually incompatible legal requirements. I like it.
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9. martim+vd[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-30 23:07:22
>>MammaM+Pa
Any source for this comparison? Also did the EU buy it or said they will?
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10. ben_w+3l[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-01 00:11:06
>>martim+vd
We said we would aspire to buying US gas. EU can't order member states around like that, and the member states themselves can't order private businesses who to buy from; US can't actually ship much more, even if it could it can't do so to us; and that's about 100% of our imports anyway (not just replacing Russian, replacing all of it) and the way global markets and fungible goods work is that it makes no difference who we buy it from or who sells it to us anyway.
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11. dboreh+kB[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-01 02:58:48
>>mrtksn+P4
Enjoy using your http alternative not invented outside the USA then. And your x86 CPU since ARM isn't American.
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