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1. pessim+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-09-24 13:24:31
I've been saying this for years: eventually not having your phone on you and powered up at all times will not be a crime, but it will be grounds for questioning and search.

One day, there will be a knock on your door.

"Good morning, this is the police. Is there something wrong with your phone? Is your phone broken? Can we provide you with a charge?"

"No, I must have turned it off accidentally."

"Can we assist you with an upgrade? The newer models don't have power buttons."

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2. BolexN+78[view] [source] 2025-09-24 13:57:20
>>pessim+(OP)
The Pedestrian: https://xpressenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/Stories/The-Ped...
3. sjw987+9e[view] [source] 2025-09-24 14:23:18
>>pessim+(OP)
I think you're exactly right, and the groundwork is being laid today by the standards society is setting for everybody. People will assume a lack of phone or the presence of a phone but lack of usage / content on it, makes you guilty of some sort of crime similar to owning a burner phone.

Tell somebody you use your phone less than 10 minutes a day and look at their face change.

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4. fhdkwe+ge[view] [source] 2025-09-24 14:23:35
>>pessim+(OP)
According to Mallen Baker, this is already happening in 9 countries. https://youtu.be/0zlDVM1x8P4?t=228
5. mhitza+Sg[view] [source] 2025-09-24 14:35:09
>>pessim+(OP)
Black Mirror "The entire history of you" now in mobile app version.
6. marcos+eC[view] [source] 2025-09-24 16:09:26
>>pessim+(OP)
So... 1984?
7. im3w1l+XH[view] [source] 2025-09-24 16:32:47
>>pessim+(OP)
What does seem to be happening is rather that the assumption of having a phone will be built into every little thing - in particular mobile payments are becoming mandatory in some places. Transportation including parking is sometimes locked behind an app. We could also see stuff like landlords moving to smart locks that a tenant open with their phone.

Since children are universally not considered real people with real rights schools requiring them to have the right apps to perform their schoolwork are to be expected.

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8. theweb+UJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 16:41:21
>>sjw987+9e
> Tell somebody you use your phone less than 10 minutes a day and look at their face change.

While not less than 10 minutes per day for me, but I was having this argument on reddit over the iPhone Air - people couldn't fathom that there's someone out there that is not on their phone 24/7, and doesn't use their phone as their main computing device.

I clock in at under an hour screen time most days. It's the least ergonomic device for me to do anything remotely serious. Can't even stand typing on a virtual keyboard. My laptop is, and will remain, my main interface to the net and communication with others.

You'd think I was some kind of weird hermit luddite because of it.

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9. Goblin+1Z1[view] [source] 2025-09-25 00:13:11
>>pessim+(OP)
Not having power button is useless if the battery works only for a few hours.
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10. vikart+lA2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-25 06:45:57
>>sjw987+9e
Scroogled, by Cory Doctorow comes to mind.
11. vikart+mB2[view] [source] 2025-09-25 06:56:35
>>pessim+(OP)
Possible option(will it BE Option?): EU:Here is my phone. Yes, it's working. It's chinese one with Huawei's Harmony OS, photos are great. or it's Russian one, I really like Pushkin so decided to get their model. Russia: Here is my phone. Yes,it's google pixel with GrapheneOS (it's more secure - Mother Russia is danger so everyone must be vigilant! I banking app via RuStore). USA: Here is my phone. I really like French. it's phone with with stock e/OS Point is - if it's impossible NOT to be observed - you (for now) still have choice which security service will observe you. $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE security services/police is unlikely to arrest $CITIZENS_OF_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE without $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCEtroops be here FIRST (and you will knew it). Only potential threat is that $NOT_YOUR_COUNTRY_OR_ALLIANCE could try to be interoperable with each other
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12. sjw987+jI2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-25 08:09:51
>>theweb+UJ
I've found the divide between people who switched to using a phone full time and people who still use physical peripheral based computers (even for recreational activity) is generally linked with whether the person is a digital productive/consumerist type person.

Nobody is coding or writing anything longer than an email or social media post on a virtual keyboard.

The average screen time for younger people borders on 7 hours. It's almost a third of the day or 40% of the woken day for most people. I still can't wrap my head around how that can even be possible, but then I see in public most people you look at in any given moment are reading, watching or sending/sharing something.

If the conspiracy theorists are right, the tech industry created a surveillance system beyond their wildest dreams.

13. int_19+YBf[view] [source] 2025-09-29 23:11:42
>>pessim+(OP)
The modern smartphone was predicted with considerable accuracy in a 1965 sci-fi story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_the_Pussyfoot#Joyma...

"The remote-access computer transponder called the "joymaker" is your most valuable single possession in your new life. If you can imagine a combination of telephone, credit card, alarm clock, pocket bar, reference library, and full-time secretary, you will have sketched some of the functions provided by your joymaker."

Just about the only thing today that's meaningfully different from the novel is that our devices are smaller and have screens instead of using voice as the primary input/output method. Well, and they don't have a "medical" module that can dispense drugs (yet?).

Interestingly enough, in the setting of that book, possession of a joymaker is a marker of good standing, and lack of one (e.g. because one cannot afford to pay for service) basically makes one homeless and a target for all kinds of nastiness including from the cops.

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14. int_19+BCf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-29 23:15:29
>>vikart+mB2
> Russia: Here is my phone. Yes,it's google pixel with GrapheneOS (it's more secure - Mother Russia is danger so everyone must be vigilant! I banking app via RuStore).

Mother Russia: we'll take care about security, comrade, you just shut up and use a phone from this here list of approved models. And GrapheneOS? squinting suspiciously that's what extremists use to watch gay pornography; are you an extremist, then? No? Let's see if officer Rubber Hosesky here believes you...

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