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Everyone invoking Godwin's law. This is exactly what Charlie was about, having an open discussion with someone, listening to each other, even those you disagree with. Free speech was attacked today and for that we all lost something important. Any comparison to Goebbels is absurd.

>>mrsopa+(OP)
Why is the comparison absurd?

>>cman14+j9
Can we at least start with the facts about Goebbels? He was:

- Pro–killing “undesirable” children (look up T4 or Tiergartenstraße 14)

- Virulently anti-Jewish

For starters, Charlie Kirk, for all his flaws, is the opposite on those two points.

I’m not pretending Charlie Kirk was a saint or planning to livestream the funeral but it does puzzle me how people who share far more political DNA with the Nazis keep declaring that others are the "modern Nazis" or Goebbels equivalents.

>>skinke+Ro
I think there are many differences and I certainly wouldn't say that the two are perfectly analogous at all, but I think the comparison mainly refers to their similarities as propagandists for their respective leaders which has some validity to it.

I'm curious though: In what way do Democrats (or "the left") share far more political DNA with Nazis?

>>cman14+fy
Propagandist for their respective leaders. Was Chester Cheetah the Goebbels of Frito-Lay? Or any other spokesperson for their respective beliefs or organization. Like the other poster stated, one stark difference is that Charlie was strongly in favor of Israel something that diametrically opposes him to Nazi ideology. Secondly, Goebbels and the Nazis were in favor of total control of information. Charlie again was the opposite of that. Anyone could come and challenge him, and actually that did not always go well for Charlie, but he welcomed the open dialogue up until the moment someone murdered him for that.

>>mrsopa+iK
> Anyone could come and challenge him

This is wrong, it was not a moderated debate. The event was a campaign rally and anyone could be ejected for asking the wrong questions.

>>mrsopa+iK
For me personally, the through line is that chester cheetah, along with most other spokespeople, was not advancing a political organization that demonized and persecuted outgroups, or that tried to subvert and consolidate power.

I believe those things are true of both the MAGA movement and of Nazis, albeit in different amounts of severity.

>>skinke+Ro
> it does puzzle me how people who share far more political DNA with the Nazis keep declaring that others are the "modern Nazis" or Goebbels equivalents

This is a very strong claim to make without support, especially given the history TPUSA had with people who were at best pushing the boundaries of the right. No historical comparison is going match perfectly but it’s hard not to see parallels in the attempts to subvert a democratic political system, demonize minorities, or the justifications they use. TPUSA frequently provided a place for fringe right people to circulate with the larger Republican sphere so while there were worse groups, they certainly weren’t trying to fight that trend.

>>skinke+Ro
The guy who said “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them”? That Charlie Kirk?

> I’m not pretending Charlie Kirk was a saint or planning to livestream the funeral but it does puzzle me how people who share far more political DNA with the Nazis keep declaring that others are the "modern Nazis" or Goebbels equivalents.

Other than Fuentes and his farther-right faction that historically has attacked Kirk for being too wishy-washy and soft in his White nationalism, who do you think this “share far more political DNA with the Nazis” description concretely applies to?

>>dragon+d11
For some reason many Jewish communities seemed to love him a lot.

It suspect you either have taken things out of context (or refer to someone else who did) or you are writing things that didn't happen.

>>dragon+d11
Believing that "communities" of an ethnicity have been "pushing hatred" does not equate to hating that ethnicity.

>>bigyab+FM
> it was not a moderated debate.

How do you figure?

> The event was a campaign rally

For whose campaign, in what contest?

> anyone could be ejected for asking the wrong questions

According to what policy, cited where? What are "the wrong questions", and how did they apparently not include the ones Kirk was addressing when he was shot?

>>mrsopa+iK
To be frank, modern Israel is getting more similar to their enemies of the past in their genocidal actions and segregation.

And Nazi Germany regime was at some point very into idea of a Jewish state.