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"Not peaceful" is an understatement. They burned innocents alive.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/former... ("Former Nepal PM Jhala Nath Khanal’s wife Rajyalaxmi Chitrakar burnt alive as protesters set his house on fire")

IMO it's far too early for anyone to declare any kind of victory, in that unresolved, chaotic power vacuum. No one can guess where that will go.

>>perihe+(OP)
I believe that was after 19 students, non-violent protestors, were gunned down by security forces.

It's a tough proposition. The goal is for the elite to have the awareness, humility, and political courage to not let things get so bad. But that point is well before Dauphines lose their heads. It's when peasant children are asking for bread and not getting any. Maybe before even that. Don't reach that tipping point and you won't careen towards the other atrocities.

>>underl+Zh
They were not intentionally killed, the security forces were untrained in the use of rubber bullets and shot them directly at protestors rather than having them ricochet off the ground.

>>xvecto+fp
That statement reflects a basic misunderstanding of small arms. If you shoot at someone, regardless of whether you're using less-than-lethal ammunition, death or serious injury is always possible. This was absolutely intentional by the soldiers and those who gave the orders. Don't try to claim it was some kind of accident, regardless of training or lack thereof.

>>perihe+(OP)
As in the case of the United Healthcare CEO, we are very quick to demonize the immediate violence and killing, and rightly so. But in doing that, we definitely overlook the many thousand uncountable lives that the behavior of the single person might have indirectly killed.

>>perihe+(OP)
of course the question is where's the line between public-money-gold-digger and innocent wife?

Jhala Nath Khanal was PM for less than 1 year in 2011.

But he was still in politics, leading party that was part of the governing coalition.

>>camill+FX
Except that United is doing the same thing it was before, with only a few months where they dialed back the pressure until their stock price started lagging.

>>xvecto+fp
if you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, then they die from injuries caused by the shot you fired, you killed them. what goes on in your little secret heart between you and jesus might matter to you, but to the real world everyone else lives in you killed them. whether you meant to shoot them in a non-killing way is irrelevant, doubly so if you never learned how to but decided you were qualified to do it anyway.

>>xvecto+fp
I really love the rising justification as of late of "they didn't know" for reckless manslaughter.

They're called "less lethal" for a reason. It's not a paintball that splatters on impact (and even then, those can also harm). Even a properly shot rubber bullet carries injury risk if you're too close. What's all that police training for?

>>camill+FX
That is all hypothetical. Everyone with certain level of power and wealth could then hypothetically be accountable to thousands of deaths just by mere action or lack of action. Every single politician with power to decide on budgets could be accounted for it. And that still does not justify the death of any of them.

>>xvecto+fp
No difference. Not knowing does not excuse responsibility. Should have figured it out after first death.

>>tirant+pJ3
>And that still does not justify the death of any of them.

Surely everyone is the physical cause of everything that results his action or inaction? We differentiate the world through all the interactions and then we get some langrange multipliers and whatnot, or we do it more carefully taking non-linear effects into account to still get some notion of responsibility.

Surely these people you mention are in fact responsible, and surely that should make them targets in case they increase deaths, destroy people's potential etc?

>>tirant+pJ3
I agree that it's quite hard to draw a line and it's a slippery slope, but what UH was doing certainly isn't comparable to cutting state budget for political or financial reasons.

>>perihe+(OP)
This did not happen. They set the house on fire.