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What would be my options as an end user who does not want to root his device

>>camdro+(OP)
Cry in a corner ig?

>>aydyn+x
Maybe use iphone? There will be not much advantages left on Android side after that shit gets go.

>>zx8080+51
I might just move to whatever Chinese come up with. By 2027 their tech should be clearly superior in every way.

>>camdro+(OP)
who does not want to root his device

Why not? Freedom isn't a given --- you need to fight for it.

>>zx8080+51
Even without side loading there are several advantages and freedoms that Android has unmatched.

>>polite+93
such as? Curious, because on iOS you can freely install browser extensions (adblockers like uBlock origin lite) from the get go. Still boggles my mind that Chrome does not allow extensions.

>>camdro+(OP)
I assume my S20+ won't get this because it's stopped getting anything but security updates. Sometime next year I'll look for the latest phone that's too old to get the new behavior.

>>polite+93
Like what? I am curious what’s left

>>userbi+13
Rooting a device will usually cause banking apps to stop working.

>>Kwpols+N6
There are still workarounds. The way to win is to keep fighting.

>>userbi+a7
All banks in Brazil now use the Google Play Integrity api. I've been on rooted phones for almost 15 years, and I'll never not main a rooted phone. But for a couple years now, I have to keep a separate phone just to be able to use tha f*cking banks.

>>import+76
Choice of running multiple browsers with different engines

>>little+w3
Alternative browser engines, JIT-compilation support (enables apps like Koreader), ability to completely disable animations, etc.

>>camdro+(OP)
For now, there isn't an alternative. Maybe a Pixel phone and GrapheneOS with the sandboxed Play Store would be the only choice, but for now, nobody knows.

>>Kwpols+N6
Then go to your bank and say hey, fix this or close my account

>>immibi+0e
And they'll gladly close it, them and every other bank. We lack alternatives so we lack leverage.

>>add-su+c4
I assume this will not be rolled out as an OS-upgrade but as a Play services update, so it will be enrolled by Google directly to nearly all devices on the market.

>>immibi+0e
In many European countries this means you cannot have a online-activated bank account. Offline banking is paid and often expensive.

>>camdro+(OP)
Google Pixel + GrapheneOS

If you want to know if your Banking App is compatible: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

>>camdro+(OP)
Perhaps a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS (which is a de-googled Android)?

https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-s...

>>cybera+5a
With sideloading being disabled, it takes a single decision from a Google employee to completely get rid of all browser engines and apps that use JIT.

>>cybera+5a
Alternate browser engines are now possible in the EU, there is just not much interest in porting to iOS. To me it sounds just bad UX that the first thing you need to do on Chrome to enable Adblock is to switch browser, vs. just installing an extension with the default browser that probably 90%+ of Android users use.

>>userbi+13
You can't expect people to go into fight mode for every single chunk of social interaction they engage into, and still be able to enjoy any moment of freedom.

A society which value freedom should of course give a lot of it to its citizen, and expect them to defend and improve it for everyone.

A society where freedom is never a given, is not going to foster much of it.

>>scotty+k2
If there's a cheap Chinese phone that banks/google accept, that might be my second (non-rooted) phone.

>>rickde+hg
If so then that blows, but I'm still hopeful Samsung won't create an update for this. Unless this is something Google silently updates in the background even with automatic app updates turned off.

>>add-su+xY
Samsung is not in control of this. Play services is a quite broad framework that is fully in control of Google, and the foundation for many services and applications on the device (including Play Store itself).

If you would factory-reset your device right now, it would reset to the version of Play Services that came with the installed device firmware, but upon startup the services framework would likely fetch information that it is outdated and won't continue until you have upgraded it.

In this state you could probably use your device and sideload apps, but none of the Google Mobile Services (Play Store, Gmail, Maps, YouTube,...) and 3rd party apps which require Google APIs will work

>>gkbrk+xm
It's not feasible, several large projects completely depend on the ffi interface that needs JIT.