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1. Anthon+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-08-26 04:27:18
And there should be no law against enabling the heated seats in the car you own without interacting with the manufacturer.
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2. alexvi+w1[view] [source] 2025-08-26 04:47:46
>>Anthon+(OP)
Too bad there is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A...

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3. Anthon+h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 04:58:29
>>alexvi+w1
Laws can be interpreted in such a way that invites robber barons to pound sand, or repealed.
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4. gf000+h9[view] [source] 2025-08-26 06:10:52
>>Anthon+(OP)
The heated seat is an edge case, but there is also the entirely valid argument that you shouldn't be able to arbitrarily modify your car (e.g. replace the breaks with some home-grown solution), as it can put yourself and others in danger, and I see no evil in that being enforced by the government. A more IT-related example might be what radio frequencies can we use - if anyone could spam the whole spectrum, we would lose more than from the "freedom" of being able to do that.

So it's actually far from trivial to draw a line.

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5. GeoAtr+ia[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 06:22:02
>>gf000+h9
> there is also the entirely valid argument that you shouldn't be able to arbitrarily modify your car

In at least two european countries that I know of (but probably in all of them) cars need to pass periodic technical inspection to be allowed on the road. Breaks are tested, among other things.

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6. bayind+ka[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 06:22:10
>>Anthon+h2
Considering the same law is used to strike a 3 hour GPU documentary over a ~30 second clip, I think it serves to corporate pretty well.

GamersNexus' 3 hour documentary about GPU smuggling (which is way more than a vlog as HN commenters like to portray) is struck down by Bloomberg because they didn't want their 30 second clip, which is squarely fair use BTW, of POTUS speaking to be in that. GamersNexus repealed successfully, but Bloomberg tried to bully them [0].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnRWh4xOCY

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7. jonasd+Hb[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 06:33:35
>>GeoAtr+ia
Technical inspections are mandatory across the board in all of the European Union, although the rules (such as the interval between inspections), may differ between countries. The minimum is every two years, some countries do yearly. This is actually governed by a European mandate.
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8. darkwa+Qd[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 06:53:47
>>GeoAtr+ia
On top of that, you totally can modify your car (even the brakes) provided that you use some certified part that's good enough for your type of car. And you should pass the inspection that tests everything.

I understand that GP point was about home-made brakes (like the software counterpart), but software on a smartphone is not (yet) deadly for others if it doesn't work as expected.

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9. swiftc+Yg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 07:22:57
>>jonasd+Hb
In much of the EU you are also required to request an additional technical inspection if you have made major changes to the car - for example, I had to take mine in when I had a tow hitch installed, and a friend had to take their camper in when they installed an additional seat.
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10. swiftc+hh[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 07:25:42
>>gf000+h9
You are permitted to change whatever you like on your car, subject to a roadworthiness inspection by the relevant transit authority.

Cargo van -> Camper van conversions go through this all the time - you add/remove seats, add a lot of weight in the form of beds, water tanks, etc. add/remove windows, put solar panels on the roof... After those changes you have to take it down to the vehicle inspection, and they tell you whether or not your changes have been deemed acceptable to drive on public roads.

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11. Anthon+Yn[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 08:20:33
>>gf000+h9
It's trivially easy to draw the line. If it's to be illegal to make some modification to your car then that law is to be enforced by the government rather than the manufacturer.
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12. john01+wp[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 08:34:46
>>gf000+h9
Vanishingly few people want to crash their car due to sub-par breaks. If someone is malicious, the physical access to the car is going to be enough to not stop them and murder is already illegal. So, is this a real issue? If it is, is regulating this the most effective choice for what to regulate to increase safety or are other things more hazardous? Removing freedom and creating mandatory bureaucracy shouldn't be done over imaginary issues.
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13. Anthon+Hp[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 08:36:10
>>bayind+ka
I don't understand why people think this is something corporations desperately want. It's something they'll abuse if you leave it sitting around for that, but that's just the argument for getting rid of it. How does the ability to be a petulant grouch benefit them? It has negligible monetary value and causes PR damage. It's a footgun that nobody needs and only fools want.

And if they're actually the cartoon villains it would imply, rather than just banal petty autocrats carelessly fooling around with a toy they deserve to have taken away from them, then we should maybe less be saying "it makes sense that they would want it this way" and more be sticking their heads in a guillotine so we can show the children the proper way to resolve a dispute with a tyrant.

In neither case should a law like that remain on the books.

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14. bayind+Cq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 08:42:34
>>Anthon+Hp
Looks like it's complicated. The video has some theories.

- Bloomberg has a similar investigation which is deeply undercut by GamersNexus video. GN seen the labs, Bloomberg got their access revoked, so theirs is an empty video, and they want the views.

- The video holds no punches back about anyone, and Bloomberg has an NVIDIA sponsored section dedicated to them.

- There's no other source which recorded POTUS' words, and maybe they don't want these words to be widely available, video argues.

- Lastly, they wanted a licensing fee for that 30 seconds to leave their videos alone.

So, when you're a beancounting billionaire corporation, you can have the reasons to go after a bearded guy who manages to do a better job and make you look bad.

Because, monies.

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15. Anthon+5r[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 08:47:28
>>bayind+Cq
That's precisely the "petty autocrats carelessly abusing a footgun" scenario. They've made themselves look bad for negligible benefit while harming innocent people. It's the argument for taking it away from them.
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16. mdp202+Ps[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 09:00:14
>>gf000+h9
> replace the br[ake]s with some home-grown solution

Funny you mention the brakes, because a friend of mine told me just days ago that he used to change his own brakes consumables (pads) until the new car, which "throws an error" if you replace the part - you have to go to an official service office for the computer configuration.

Now, do not forget that the need for the intervention of third parties lowers the car reliability ("far away", "too expensive", "device too old", "operation failure", "inexperienced operator" etc.).

This should show that your argument has difficult sides. Of course you should be able to act on your critical possessions. It should be within a good framework, but it should be fully, practically possible.

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17. lelant+YL[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-26 11:52:21
>>gf000+h9
> but there is also the entirely valid argument that you shouldn't be able to arbitrarily modify your car (e.g. replace the breaks with some home-grown solution), as it can put yourself and others in danger,

That is a nonsensical argument.

"You shouldn't be able to put anyone else in danger" - agreed.

"You shouldn't be able to modify your car" - wtf does that have to do with danger?

"Modifying brakes (not breaks)" is not the same thing as "Putting people in danger". Sometimes we modify them to have better braking than the standard.

What countries actually do is test the end-result, i.e. Does the car conform to the legally mandated required braking performance?

Rather than campaign to stop people from owning property anymore, maybe just enforce the existing laws (which, as far as I know, are enforced already anyway).

This campaign to divide people into an owning class and a servile class is pretty damn repugnant, and "Because someone can be harmed if we allow people to own things" is just the new "But think of the children" nonsense.

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18. _heimd+Ud3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-27 02:06:31
>>gf000+h9
It should be up to the individual to decide whether they want to modify their car.

Say you put aftermarket brakes on your car and they fail, causing an accident that harms someone else. The person who changed their brakes should be held liable legally, its as simple as that. Owners that choose to change their car and do a piss poor job of it are held accountable for their actions and others considering similar modifications can choose to learn the lesson.

Yes that means people could be harmed in the process, but regulations themselves harm people too. There's no way around the fact that one way or another people may get harmed during their lifetime. In the long run regulations just guarantee that, should the wrong people take power, the regulations and authority that originally allowed regulations will be abused.

I'm actually surprised I haven't seen more push back on government authority given everything Trump is either doing or claiming he will do. The president should be largely an anemic office acting more as a figurehead than anything else. We've given them the power to effectively legislate with no oversight, that why he may be able to do so much harm.

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19. _heimd+he3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-27 02:08:53
>>mdp202+Ps
John Deere tractors have been terrible about this for years now. Not just for brakes, effectively any problem with the tractor requires specific software to diagnose and the tractor electronics are designed to keep the tractor immobilized until a Deere technician plugs the right software in and then repairs whatever broke in the first place.
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20. gf000+eC3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-27 06:43:27
>>lelant+YL
I just tried to come up with a feasible example - maybe gas pipe installation would have been a better one?

But even for cars, it's quite clear that a modify-test cycle there is on the order of months/years (also, has a money burden that probably the owner has to pay). But this would 100% fail to scale to IT - like should I go to the government on each commit? Do I get a signature from them for releases?

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21. lelant+9b4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-27 11:48:03
>>gf000+eC3
> I just tried to come up with a feasible example - maybe gas pipe installation would have been a better one?

The problem is any feasible example you come up with are already regulated, for the same reason you came up with it - there's danger to others!

Where I am, gas pipes, even inside your own house, can only be legally installed and maintained by a certified technician. You also have to get an annual clearance certificate done.

Just about everything dangerous is already regulated; further restrictions "just in case" are not warranted.

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