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This is crazy. I can't install my own apps on my own phone anymore.

I am gonna start carrying around a laptop with a 5G modem instead.

>>ycombi+(OP)
I'm thinking it's time for a 2nd phone (in my case old one from cupboard) to become the regular daily GrapheneOS enabled driver and then keep a modern Google(tm) updated one at home for all the "official crap" whenever needed. That way I can also separate banking / paypal / etc. from my carry phone with all it's various apps that I trust to varying degrees.

>>ycombi+(OP)
Don't worry, they'll stop letting you access your bank without an app soon enough. Gotta protect the children and what-not.

>>dingdi+P4
I'm curious why you need a phone for banking at all, at home as you say. Wouldn't a laptop suffice? Granted, not all banks have a web app these days

>>Unreac+9j
Not for me at least, 3DS requires approval in an app on my phone. I'd love if the banks just used TOTP instead but no, I have to use their app, some of which don't work with an unlocked bootloader, so I have to have stock android

>>dingdi+P4
This was the first thing that crossed my mind. If it’s not too much money and hassle I could buy a second device for GrapheneOS and tether to the cheapest phone I can get for the official ecosystem.

Really though, it doesn’t have enough impact for consumers. If I get unfairly banned as a developer, no one even notices because that’s nothing more than an opportunity for another developer to step in.

Individually we have no power :-(

>>dingdi+P4
ding ding ding a second phone is the correct answer

>>donmcr+on
Those are the moments I am starting to fantasize about starting a customer protection group that is sufficiently committed to follow through on organizing boycotts. Naturally, reality hits once you see average human on the road ( on a highway, full speed ). We might be lost a species.

>>ycombi+(OP)
That's indeed what I'm planning to do but I'll buy a Steam Deck

>>Tadpol+Oe
I just got a letter from my bank stating this. Website is going away, app only access. It's very disappointing, for security I never have any banking access on my mobile devices

>>dingdi+P4
I wonder if you could keep your "snitch" android phone home by instrumentalizing it, enabling you to access it remotely on your main linux/degoogled android phone. It might not even be that outrageous of an idea since there are tons of botfarms that are essentially stacks and stacks of legit phones being remotely controlled... the tech might be there already, just need to adapt if for something good...

>>amlib+XK
https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

>>ycombi+HM
How likely is it for google to deny access to all or most of the apis that makes this possible? Then you need to point a camera to the screen, mike the speakers and so on...

>>amlib+7Y
If you asked me yesterday if Google would ever block sideloading, I would have said no.

All bets are off at this point.

>>dugite+My
Time to switch banks.

>>owebma+Yu
I have been looking into this as well. There are a few devices from GPD Win that are smaller than the Steam Deck but also have a physical keyboard.

>>ycombi+c31
Yes, and then that one adopts the same policy. You switch again. Repeat. At some point you run out of options.

>>dugite+My
Then will maybe come a real use for decentralized cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. To skip this crazy banking system completely...

>>A4ET8a+fs
Well, in a sense it's the Milgram experiment ratio (roughly 2/3rds will go along with whatever those in authority say). I have personally gone from being discouraged about that factoid to simply being intrigued.. A very early example of the awareness of this situation would be the concept of the wide vs narrow gate from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.