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1. GJim+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-08-13 09:39:27
Seconded.

Furthermore, violent crime throughout the entire western world (not just England and Wales) has been dropping from its peak in the mid 1990's.

Unfortunately these facts don't fit in with the Daily Mail narrative and what people want to believe.

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2. j-krie+21[view] [source] 2025-08-13 09:48:15
>>GJim+(OP)
This is only true if you choose a very specific reference frame to fit your narrative. Crime is rising again among western nations since 2015, year after year.
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3. Lord-J+L4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-13 10:25:24
>>j-krie+21
Rising since 2015, but legitimately barely. Enough to look into and attempt to remedy of course, but nowhere near enough to justify the absolutely unhinged rhetoric constantly being used to justify awful legislation and amoral crackdowns.

You can specifically look at people's assumption at violent crime rates charted against actual violent crime rates and see that the gap has never been wider.

Also, 1980 to 2025 is not a "very specific time frame" and it still shows the trend described above. Very large cliff in the 90s we are still nowhere near.

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4. vidarh+j5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-13 10:30:02
>>j-krie+21
For England and Wales at least this is not remotely supported by the Crime Survey for England and Wales, which shows levels have mostly continued to drop since 2015 with the exception of a couple of minor upticks, to a level we not seen at any point since the Crime Survey started in 1982.
5. tim333+482[view] [source] 2025-08-13 22:21:09
>>GJim+(OP)
And the Telegraph and most right wing sources. Sadiq Khan is a popular scapegoat for it all.
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