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1. tracke+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-08-07 17:17:26
Beyond this, BlueSky definitely kicks a lot of Libertarian and Right-leaning users off the platform. It seems to be okay if you're left of center or politically agnostic.
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2. LeoPan+O4[view] [source] 2025-08-07 17:34:48
>>tracke+(OP)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Is it perhaps that the "right-leaning" social media users being banned are also violating the rules? Attacks and abuse seem to be standard practice, especially for the American right.

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3. Timoro+w5[view] [source] 2025-08-07 17:37:54
>>tracke+(OP)
Bluesky moderation has been fairly even handed as far as I have seen. They also ban plenty of leftists and trans activists when these happen to exceed the ToS. And good luck if you’re a Palestinian trying to fundraise on the platform; they get banned by the hundreds.
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4. cactac+s7[view] [source] 2025-08-07 17:44:43
>>tracke+(OP)
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5. dang+98[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 17:46:53
>>cactac+s7
>* stop talking out of your ass*

Please don't break the site guidelines like this, no matter how incorrect another comment is or you feel it is.

Doing this has the obvious downside of making the threads more toxic, plus the less obvious one of discrediting the truth (assuming your comment is indeed correct) by giving it toxic associations. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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6. cactac+cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 18:04:28
>>dang+98
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7. OneDeu+hf[view] [source] 2025-08-07 18:12:52
>>tracke+(OP)
This is a claim that's going to require support. Bluesky's moderation service (just adds metadata/labels to posts/accounts) is all client side opt-in. It's force-enabled by the default client but any third party client allows you to opt-out (or doesn't even use it by default).

And PDS level/"account" bans are just at the PDS. If you've been "banned", that's just bluesky the PDS host telling you they don't want to host you and that you need to go host your data yourself or find someone else to host it for you. i.e. find another PDS.

Basically every form of ban or moderation in atproto/bluesky is "soft" moderation and you can fairly trivially bypass it and continue doing your own thing.

The overwhelming majority of right wing accounts that get banned do so soon after joining (and generally after going to pick fights). And they never even bother to try to keep their accounts, instead choosing to create new accounts to get banned again or abandon the platform. It's disingenuous behavior and for right wing personalities it feels almost more like a sticker of pride that they were "banned from bluesky".

Plenty of right leaning and libertarian accounts exist on bluesky. Project Liberal [1] and Liberal Party USA [2] (run by Josh Eakle[3] and Kevin Gaughen[4] respectively) exist just fine on bluesky and they are large splinter groups from the Libertarian Party following the whole Mises Caucus coup attempt thing. Likewise a number of libertarian groups such as the Libertarian Party of Lousiana [5] do just fine on bluesky. And of course AI and Cryptocurrency people also do just fine on bluesky as well despite the stereotypes against them and the common belief that "they aren't welcome on bluesky". The worst thing that happens is people block or mute you and you don't have to deal with them anymore rather than toxicly fighting each other each time you see each other.

TLDR: Everyone is welcome on bluesky but there's no requirement for people to tolerate you. Even if you violate every transgression, as long as you aren't posting literal child porn to the network you'll still be able to exist just fine however people might just ignore you.

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1. Project Liberal: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:d5nigw7kzpsglf3gtl2dvbev

2. Liberal Party USA: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:v3jmda7lwwdoofcvgmjwsbcg

3. Josh Eakle: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2adtngm3y6e6ol6jastnkxzm

4. Kevin Gaughen: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4oyecf2hz4ajhm4zqp52hxqo

5. LP of Lousiana: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:mongiv55fh5l5e7vi7cbjajw

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8. umbra0+Zi[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 18:28:18
>>LeoPan+O4
What rules are we talking about? Because my Bluesky feed (the Discover section) is filled with name-calling, hints at political violence, etc. all coming from liberal/left accounts.
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9. LeoPan+sl[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 18:39:11
>>umbra0+Zi
That's not my experience at all.
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10. dang+rr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 19:09:04
>>cactac+cd
That's better, thanks, and I don't mean to pile on! but why include "Clearly you don't use it"?

One can't conclude that for sure, it's unnecessarily personal, and it doesn't add anything (other than a swipe) to the correct information in your post.

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11. hasnd+pv[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 19:30:12
>>OneDeu+hf
I’ve read all of those profiles and they all seem to lean progressive. If your argument is that there’s a diversity of thought, that proof is not enough.
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12. kouru2+bw[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 19:34:38
>>umbra0+Zi
Seems like you might be preoccupied with rage bait and you think that it’s actually real
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13. OneDeu+MC[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 20:07:08
>>hasnd+pv
I'm specifically targeting the libertarian side of the original comment as I don't keep up with authoritarian conservatives and I generally don't want to engage with them (nor do I the authoritarian left).

LPLouisiana is definitely left leaning libertarian but the first 4 are all very much your old school small government libertarians.

Both Josh Eakle and Kevin Gaughen used to be senior members of the Libertarian Party prior to the Mises Caucus burning it to the ground and they are absolutely center right libertarians through and through.

14. const_+cK[view] [source] 2025-08-07 20:49:10
>>tracke+(OP)
The problem with the mentality is that conservative ideas aren't ever censored, even on mainstream platforms like Instagram.

Rather, there is an association between modern conservative/libertarian voices and populist messaging - and all the pitfalls that come with it. Meaning, vulgarity, emotional bait, deception, and purposefully offensive language.

Like, the modern American conservative leadership cannot advertise their own ideology without resorting to lies and attacks of character. The left, by comparison, does not operate that way.

So, if you're censoring shitheads who are generally unliked, that might appear as though youre targeting conservatives or right leaning people. But you're not.

Basically, the right has purposefully positioned themselves to be associated with unpalatable ideas in order to leverage populist messaging. And this worked - they won an election. The downside is that now if you filter out unpalatable ideas such as blatant slurs you're going to necessarily mostly target right wing people. By accident.

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15. sugarp+nS[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 21:35:27
>>OneDeu+hf
> Bluesky's moderation service is all client side opt-in. It's force-enabled by the default client but any third party client allows you to opt-out

No matter how many times this pedantry gets repeated in this thread, this is literally not opt-in.

A light switch that is glued in place so you cannot turn it off is not opt-in.

Sure, some people with the know-how can get a pair of dikes and cut it out of the wall, the light will turn off and they will say "see, I opted out!"

But most people won't do this. At best it is misleading to say so.

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16. Karrot+D31[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-07 22:49:57
>>OneDeu+hf
> And of course AI and Cryptocurrency people also do just fine on bluesky as well despite the stereotypes against them and the common belief that "they aren't welcome on bluesky".

"do just fine" is really pushing it I think. I don't think the core mod team or the default-client's moderation service is biased toward the right or the left (at least in how they apply moderation, not necessarily their personal beliefs.) I think the core team is doing the best job they can given their resourcing. The community on the site is a different story.

There was an attempt by AI researchers to join the site and they all got bullied until they left, largely by the community. Pretty much every reply to an NYT article that doesn't denigrate Trump is either "wow how does the NYT have the time to write about fashion/lifestyle/<anything but how Trump is awful>, it's because they've an evil right wing publication" or "how dare the NYT platform this opinion it's an evil right wing opinion". If you look at feature rollouts or social posts by the team you get lots of well-liked comments about how the mod team enables right wing behavior.

I use the platform a lot and am really rooting for them to succeed, but I feel that there's just a lot of lefty toxicity on the platform and that the community on there loves politics and often brings politics into unrelated threads. They seem interested in a sort of pop politics too, not the kind of harder political analysis that a good think tank or non-fiction book can provide either. I feel that if you're into lots of pop left politics and the culture that emerges from a community with this love then you'll like Bluesky. For now I think the community is too political to really foster wider conversations the way pre-Elon Twitter did.

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17. OneDeu+Xc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-08 00:10:11
>>sugarp+nS
The entire design of the architecture is for it to be driven primarily by the third party developers and the community. Bluesky the company does the bare minimum for legal compliance and every time there's an issue with legal compliance/moderation, the "first party" developers make threads to teach people how to use third party apps, etc to bypass the systems they are forced to implement.

The goal is that third party apps take over as the majority share of clients over time and the main impl should be seen as a "reference implementation".

And that of course ignores all the other non-bluesky projects currently incubating on atproto.

18. psioni+dr1[view] [source] 2025-08-08 02:38:32
>>tracke+(OP)
That's funny, because the team is also regularly accused of being "libertarian tech bros"
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19. Maken+6t2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-08 13:39:07
>>Timoro+w5
Is there any social network in the USA which is not banning Palestinians?
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20. tracke+kl3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-08 18:30:48
>>OneDeu+hf
And how many people even know there are other PDS's? You install the official bsky app, you create an account and the account gets deleted, how are you supposed to know? There's no message, warning, alert, etc.

The vast majority of people using Bluesky don't use a 3rd party or self-hosted PDS because they aren't and probably shouldn't have to be aware of it. It isn't even a prominent feature. At least with Mastodon, it's a big part of the culture at its' core... you don't see this with the official app even.

I didn't even know that was even an option until you mentioned it. I only know that there have been banned accounts on the official/default one that didn't even post anything yet.

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