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that's called "off".

>>evan_+(OP)
i suppose we have come to expect 4 states: - off: no power, no activity - hibernate: no power, no activity session state saved to non-volatile storage - sleep: Minimal power, RAM remains powered with the session state, can be resumed quickly - on

now we essentially have sleep++ and no option to set it back to vanilla sleep.

>>evan_+(OP)
Turning a machine off loses any existing application state, and requires both applications and the OS to be re-launched.

When I put a machine into standby, I want it to go in a standby state, and then stay there until I explicitly wake it -- not keep doing whatever background tasks the OS developers, app developers, or whatever other third parties think they need to keep doing.

>>scarby+i8
You do have that option, it's just not the defaut.

For most people these days the primary device is their phone, and so that is the model that modern laptops are trying to follow, as that is what most users will expect.

>>scarby+i8
Those are the states I expect, indeed, but lately I find them increasingly unreliable. I've had Windows unable to sleep, Linux crashing after hibernating, MacOS issues are addressed aplenty here.

I thought this was a solved issue. How are all OSs suddenly so bad at this? I only really trust on and off anymore.

>>theevi+fm
Btw, what’s the functionality which needs this half sleep state with running WiFi and Bluetooth? Laptops worked for decades without this, and I’ve never felt the need to change this. It caused headache for me too many times, and I don’t even know why I would need this.