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The goal of every civilization is to abolish work. I don't see the problem.

>>person+(OP)
> The goal of every civilization is to abolish work.

I don’t know that that’s the core goal of civilization. Instead I think it is more about:

- survival and stability

- human flourishing

- progress and innovation

- continuity (of culture, values, etc.)

>>person+(OP)
Literally everything in society is making you suffer to make money. And you think societies goal is to abolish work.

>>person+(OP)
> The goal of every civilization is to abolish work.

Where did you get that from lol ? We're doing everything we can to have people work for less, longer and in more precarious conditions.

People are still fighting for a "living" wage, we're far from a "thriving" wage and even further from the abolition of work.

>>person+(OP)
Life without work is meaningless. Over the millennia we have done nothing but work. We were made to work.

I don't know if you've experienced not working without having to worry about money, but I have and it has a unique feeling of emptiness to it.

This is not me praising 9-5 office jobs, or work from home jobs, or any other specific job. They can all be hell in and of themselves, but the idea of abolishing work is just so laughable to me.

The moment that happens, a collective neurosis will overtake humanity the likes of which has never been seen before. We can only hope work will continue to be around as long as we are around, for our own sake.

>>vik0+6b
I don't buy it. The cats and dogs seems to be pretty happy and they rarely work apart from the biological stuff that we do like growing body and repair cells and eating and all.

>>vik0+6b
I agree. Let's have some kind of distinction between work and labor

>>person+(OP)
I like the idea that the goal of civilization is the pursuit of happiness. I don't want to live in a walle type world

>>vik0+6b
Yes, this is why people dread retirement. Society should implement some sort of Logan's Run style carrousel for the sad, miserable people that have retired and no longer get to have the pleasure of working.

>>vik0+6b
I think it is wrong to say that life without work is meaningless.

The problem is what good enough yesterday is expected today and won't be enough tomorrow.

Not being able to do whatever you want all the time acts as a break on this process.

The moment work is abolished would be a wonderful moment. A month later though the biggest topic would be how to get a side hustle or a job.

>>person+(OP)
Wasn't slavery foundational to every civilization? The greeks had it. So did the romans. The egyptians. Unless you meant to abolish "paid work".

>>andsoi+Z2
If you agree with Stafford Beer[1] then the purpose of civilisation is what it does. At the moment that doesn't look much like your list. Rather it seems to be about oppressing those at the bottom and enriching those at the top. The only thing that seems to reverse this trend is war.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Beer