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1. evrimo+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-07-23 21:45:29
Source on Fairphone being insecure? I'm moving to Android app development and considered it for repairability/mission factors.
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2. subscr+1d1[view] [source] 2025-07-24 10:19:46
>>evrimo+(OP)
From what I found they're brilliant on repairability, but not so much on security, which is a bummer :(

Couple of pieces on hardware:

- Fairphone does not include a secure element making brute-forcing PIN trivial

- Fairphone 4 used TEST KEYS for verified boot: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/bootloader-avb-keys-used-in-ro... The above alone shows insecurity by design.

I cannot find any of Fairphone technical documentation that would provide details on their implementation of the TEE/HSM. As of now I believe it's only Pixel's Titan and Samsung's KNOX that provide a discrete secure element on Android devices.

Android project recommends secure element to process sensitive data: https://source.android.com/docs/security/best-practices/hard... What it's supposed to provide: https://developer.android.com/privacy-and-security/keystore

On vendor: Drivers, firmware patches, OS upgrades are a necessity, not an option: most security and privacy updates are not backported. Vendor can't just wait for AOSP to deliver all the patches. Vendor must show a track record providing updates to their hardware

- After a lengthy two-year delay, the phone got a taste of Android 12 in February 2023, with Android 13 arriving relatively quickly in October 2023. For Android 14, Fairphone promised to roll out the update in H2, 2024, almost a year after Google released it. Now, with less than two months left in the year, the company is postponing the update's release to 2025. -- https://www.androidpolice.com/fairphone-4-long-delayed-andro...

- their Security Bulletin patches are consistently 1-2 months behind

- Fairphone 5 is still on Android 14 (since Jul 2024). Android 15 has been released in September 2024. Year and a half later AOSP is on Android 16.

- Fairphone 6 is still on Android 15

- Fairphone 5 and 6 latest security patches are from June 2025: https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/244637136412...

For comparison GrapheneOS had eight releases in July alone (GrapheneOS had a full A16 release on 30th of June for all supported devices). Security patches are usually released within one-three days (or earlier, from the tree, without waiting for being published in the bundle)

GOS Release for Pixel 9 was ready three days after the device launch.

Exploitability matrix as per Cellebrite: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/updated-cellebrite-iphon... That supports the claim the hardware + OS holds.

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3. microt+rj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-24 11:24:02
>>subscr+1d1
After a lengthy two-year delay, the phone got a taste of Android 12 in February 2023, with Android 13 arriving relatively quickly in October 2023. For Android 14, Fairphone promised to roll out the update in H2, 2024, almost a year after Google released it.

It is also worth mentioning that Android Security Bulletins generally only contain backports of patches for High and Critical vulnerabilities. Most non-Pixel/GrapheneOS phones only get all the other fixes when moving to the next major release [1]. So getting the next major Android release is important (getting to a recent patch-level alone is not enough).

I can completely understand that Graphene does not want to support Fairphone and others, their security/privacy goals are the complete opposite of what those phones provide.

[1] https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/23462-grapheneos-version-20...

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4. neobra+wS2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-24 20:10:25
>>subscr+1d1
Just adding minor context:

> - Fairphone 5 is still on Android 14 (since Jul 2024).

The Android 15 update was actually released this week! https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/186828004651...

> - Fairphone 6 is still on Android 15

Android 16 was released less than half a month before the release of the FP6, which itself is less than a month ago. Seems reasonable that it wouldn't ship the latest version under those circumstances.

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5. nicman+e44[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-25 05:58:45
>>subscr+1d1
> - Fairphone does not include a secure element making brute-forcing PIN trivial

i am trying to under this but i do not get it. it is an encrypted phone with no external to the attacker access. how can you brute it??

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6. subscr+rzb[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-28 09:12:55
>>nicman+e44
https://github.com/urbanadventurer/Android-PIN-Bruteforce

Fairphones don't switch USB ports automatically into "charging only" like GrapheneOS does.

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