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Trump getting elected wasn’t inevitable. There were unusual events during the 2016 election campaign that could have resulted in a different outcome if their timing had been different.

>>skybri+(OP)
What they're saying is that government lists get abused. That's true no matter who is in power.

>>giantg+K
Sorry but both sides are not the same.

>>skybri+(OP)
Billionaires paid for Hillary, dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people. Took 0 responsibility for it. Just took her campaign war chest and dumped it into a media smear campaign.

>>gosub1+Po
> Billionaires paid for Hillary, dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people.

To be fair, other billionaires paid for this one; and this one is still not listening to the people.

>>kashun+6s
That's fair. I want people to understand it's not about my tribe vs your tribe. If the goal is to get idiots like Trump out of Washington, you must first remove money from politics. Then even if "your guy" doesn't get elected, you at least have a decent specimen installed who your party can work with. No one of average intelligence can even see that as an option. For this reason, the DNC is just as responsible for his election as the utterly deranged MAGA avatar.

>>gosub1+Po
> dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people

No one was forced to vote for Clinton and nominating a loser of the primary would have set an awful precedent.

>>lepton+U1
Yep. Anyone saying that they are is being intellectually dishonest and likely trying to feel better about doing nothing

>>lepton+U1
Agreed. One side is actively fascist and the other side passively fascist.

>>orthec+jz
You do not agree with me. You're still using the tired old "both sides" argument. The voting record proves you wrong.

>>ilikec+Jx
Nominating Bernie would have led to a victory over Trump

>>gosub1+VF2
Again, no one forced anyone to vote for her; they chose to do so of their own volition. Bernie did not win because, for whatever reason, not enough people voted for him. I say this as someone who voted for him in 2016

To muse he would have beaten Trump is like saying the Bills could have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl. Maybe they could have, but they didn't beat the Chiefs. It's not a forgone conclusion that he would have beaten Trump, but even so it really doesn't matter because he lost in the primaries