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1. NoMore+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-07-07 16:28:54
Stealing? In what way?

Training a generative model on a book is the mechanical equivalent of having a human read the book and learn from it. Is it stealing if a person reads the book and learns from it?

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2. blocko+Rj[view] [source] 2025-07-07 18:22:18
>>NoMore+(OP)
Depends on how closely that person can reproduce the original work without license or attribution
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3. lcnPyl+Pn[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-07 18:48:50
>>blocko+Rj
It actually depends on whether or not they reproduce it and especially what they do with the copy after making it.
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4. janals+V21[view] [source] 2025-07-08 01:01:14
>>NoMore+(OP)
> In what way?

Downloading the book without paying for it, which is more or less what the judge said.

5. coffee+m51[view] [source] 2025-07-08 01:33:18
>>NoMore+(OP)
But a language model is not a person, it’s a copy machine with a blender inside.

Photocopying books in their entirety for commercial use is absolutely illegal.

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6. blocko+jN2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-08 18:35:24
>>lcnPyl+Pn
Sure. I'd say reproducing and distributing it to someone who happens to ask the right questions would qualify
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7. lcnPyl+f23[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-07-08 20:16:56
>>blocko+jN2
Well, right, but that's different from "can reproduce the original work". I "can" start typing out song lyrics but it doesn't mean that I stole the songs I've listened to.
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