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I don't agree. Most LLMs have been trained on human data, so it is best to talk about these models in a human way.

>>ameliu+(OP)
Even the verb 'trained' is contentious wrt anthropomorphism.

>>4ndrew+A
Somewhat true but rodents can also be trained ...

>>ameliu+h4
Rodents aren't functions though?

>>ameliu+(OP)
Anthropomorphising implicitly assumes motivation, goals and values. That's what the core of anthropomorphism is - attempting to explain behavior of a complex system in teleological terms. And prompt escapes make it clear LLMs doesn't have any teleological agency yet. Whenever their course of action is, it is to easy to steer them of. Try to do it with a sufficiently motivated human.

>>4ndrew+06
Every computable system, even stateful systems, can be reformulated as a function.

If IO can be functional, I don't see why mice can't.

>>tlilto+jc
>. Try to do it with a sufficiently motivated human.

That's what they call marketing, propaganda or brain washing, acculturation , education depending on who you ask and at which scale you operate, apparently.

>>Feepin+pe
Well, that's a strong claim of equivalence between computationable models and realty.

The consensual view is rather that no map is matching fully the territory, or said otherwise the territory includes ontological components that exceeds even the most sophisticated map that can be ever built.

>>psycho+Nk
I believe the consensus view is that physics is computable.

>>psycho+Zj
> sufficiently motivated

None of these targets sufficiently motivated, rather those who are either ambivalent or yet unexposed.

>>Feepin+nl
Thanks. I think the original point about the word 'trained' being contentious still stands, as evidenced by this thread :)

>>Feepin+pe
So you think a rodent is a function?

>>tempfi+kv
I think that I am a function.

>>tlilto+jc
How will you know when an AI has teleological agency?

>>cridde+dE1
Prompt escapes will be much harder, and some of them will end up in an equivalent of "sure here is… no, wait… You know what, I'm not doing that", i. e. slipping and then getting back on track.