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At this point, I think the Two-State Solution has proven to be incredibly naive.

As long as there are outside forces, such as Iran, willing to embed & fund militants among the Gazan population, the -only- practical solution towards peace is assimilation: have Gazans broken up & spread out through Israel until law enforcement can be practically achieved.

Now assimilation sucks & will likely result in all sorts of social injustice, but I consider it a better alternative to the current ethnic cleansing.

EDIT: @casspipe suggested the option of subsidized resettlement and I agree that is another option that should be explored.

>>judahm+(OP)
Even assimilation seems hard at this point. If I were a gazan I'd ask the international community to have Israel buy me decent housing somewhere safe in an arab speaking country. Like, I get it you are stronger and don't want me here but give me.somewhere decent to go. I often wonder what are the options for Palestinians and especially gazans who do want to get out of there.

>>cassep+G8
Assimilation definitely would be a hard option.

I agree that subsidized resettlement should be another option explored by middle east nations.

>>cassep+G8
Why would any Arab-speaking country accept 2M Palestinian refugees?

>>cassep+G8
There are not necessarily Arab countries that want to take on millions of Palestinian refugees. There is a broader issue that what you suggest is not considered good for the Palestinian cause. I'll give an example. UNRWA uses a specific definition for Palestinian refugees that differs from the general refugee definition used by UNHCR. They define Palestinian refugees as "persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict". This status also extends to their descendants. This means children and grandchildren of the original 1948 refugees maintain refugee status even if born outside Palestine. When you think about it, this is kind of the opposite of what you suggested. It creates a massive class of legal Palestinians who live in and are citizens of other countries (particularly Jordan), but are ostensibly waiting for their opportunity to return (or receive some other "durable solution" such as compensation).

In general, Arab states and Palestinian leadership argue that naturalizing refugees would undermine their right to return to their original homes. You can interpret this cynically: because many Arab states are not too friendly with Israel, having a massive class of refugees putting political pressure on them could be advantageous, and is probably one of the only ways to "defeat" Israel as a jewish state (because if all of those refugees had the right to live in Israel, jews might become a minority.) But it is true that removing refugee status without a just solution would erase Palestinian claims and rights under international law.

>>ChadNa+ue
It's interesting to compare that treatment to the Mizrahi Jews who fled persecution in Arab states after 1948 and many settled in Israel. They're not refugees anymore. The Arab states stole tons of property from Mizrahi Jews (adding up to multiple times the size of Israel) but nobody is demanding that the Arab states pay reparations to Mizrahi Jews as a condition for peace. Meanwhile those same Arab states radicalize their populace against Israel by calling Israelis "land thieves" - the hypocrisy is quite amazing considering many of those Israelis literally had their grandparents' land stolen by those same Arab states.

>>cassep+G8
> If I were a gazan I'd ask the international community to have Israel buy me decent housing somewhere safe in an arab speaking country.

The Arab states seized properties from Mizrahi Jews fleeing to Israel decades ago, land that adds up to multiple times the size of Israel. They have plenty of space to resettle refugees without asking Israel to "buy" their own stolen land back!

>>cassep+G8
> I'd ask the international community to have Israel buy me decent housing somewhere safe in an arab speaking country

The degree to which France and the UK have dodged the question of reparations in this debate is frankly surprising to me.

>>cassep+G8
Nobody wants palestinian population. Egypt built a wall for a reason.

>>cassep+G8
Israel's neighbours are absolutely unwilling to take large numbers of Palestinians, for reasons that seem perfectly fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_Sout...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_insurgency#Gaza_Strip_sp...

>>cassep+G8
I've done the math, and if the US had given every Palestinian $100,000 to move elsewhere (surely enough to relocate) they could have forcefully relocated every single Palestinian without killing them all. And they would have spent less money than they have on bombs and stuff for Israel.

Still a dick move, but much less so than wiping out an entire group of people.

>>klipt+Ji
Maybe the Mizrahi Jews can get their property back if they return the land they stole?

Seriously though, if you look back far enough, all land is stolen. I think it's more prudent to focus on the present day.

>>chipsr+CI
That's not quite fair. The Mizrahi Jews the GP is referring to were kicked out of the country they were born in, and had nowhere else to go but Israel, the land for which was already "stolen" when the Mizrahi Jews got there. (Obviously settlements are ongoing so you can say that land theft is continuing to happen. If that's what you meant, ignore me.)

>>vbezhe+rq
So just kill them all or even what?

>>klipt+Ji
> nobody is demanding that the Arab states pay reparations to Mizrahi Jews as a condition for peace

Why not?

>>xg15+uQ
Maybe they need to get control over their leadership?

>>xg15+uQ
It's up to them and Israeli to decide, I guess. Not wanting to help is not the same as killing. If some stranger comes to your home, you're not obliged to let him in and it won't be kill, even if he died afterwards. World is cruel and nobody obliged to nobody, especially at population levels. It's much easier to help single person, of course, but accommodating millions is another matter.

>>vbezhe+RV1
> If some stranger comes to your home, you're not obliged to let him in

Sure.

But if you go over to where a stranger lives and build a wall around them. You are responsible if they then starve to death.

If another stranger is delivering food to a different stranger and you kill the food deliverer. You are responsible for that mans death.

These analogies are much more relevant to the discussion. Isreal is disallowing people from delivering food and has even killed people that do (leading to organizations like word food kitchen to leave).

>>vbezhe+RV1
> Not wanting to help is not the same as killing.

You do realize that a significant fraction of Israel's military budget comes from the US?

>>judahm+rb
That would still amount to ethnic cleansing by israel though.

>>tiahur+1I1
Who is "they"?

>>xg15+8W3
The people literally getting wiped off the map because their leaders thought it was a good idea to conduct a massacre at a rave.

>>lazyas+gY
A general bias that Jews are supposed to "forgive and forget" losing 3rd of population in a genocide, losing land multiple times the size of Israel etc.

While much smaller tragedies are used to justify forever war by Hamas against Israel.

>>klipt+71c
Well that seems a silly bias for Israelis to have.