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1. pzo+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:20:13
sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.
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2. NewJaz+h[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:24:24
>>pzo+(OP)
Fairphone
3. zeech+U[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:32:13
>>pzo+(OP)
GrapheneOS only supports Pixels due to their having superior security features [0]. Calyx supports Pixels as well as some newer Motos and the Fairphone 4 and 5 [1]. Lineage supports tons of devices [2].

LineageOS is the only one of the three that supports older hardware, but I'd recommend getting a previous-gen Pixel for the seven-year (at least) support cycle.

[0] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

[1] https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/

[2] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

4. input_+y3[view] [source] 2025-06-12 07:16:36
>>pzo+(OP)
> Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

That pretty much sums it up, there's a reason all of those custom ROMs pivoted to supporting basically just Pixels. Apart from Pixels, your only options are Fairphone and a few years old Chinese models (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware.

Custom ROMs are pretty much dead, this just might be the final nail in their coffin.

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5. nixass+24[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 07:21:54
>>input_+y3
> (Xiaomi, Motorola, OnePlus), none of which are even close to state-of-the-art hardware.

Well, Pixel is arguably pretty shitty hardware as well

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6. flanbi+F4[view] [source] 2025-06-12 07:31:16
>>pzo+(OP)
I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, when it happens again I just need to squeeze the bottom of my phone. My last Pixel phone just completely died on me randomly as I unplugged it from my car. And I've had previous Pixel phones just ignore calls, sending them straight to voicemail (which is a common issue if you Google that as well).

I will miss having stock android and timely updates, I will hate Samsung bloatware and apps I can't uninstall, but it's I hope to have more stability and longer life for my phones. In barely getting 2 years of life from my Pixels. I'm also seriously considering iPhones as well.

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7. throaw+h6[view] [source] 2025-06-12 07:53:21
>>pzo+(OP)
grapheneos is still going strong

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

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8. izacus+38[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:15:05
>>flanbi+F4
Why not return your phone for warranty when its obviously broken (hardware wise)?
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9. jhasse+o8[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:19:04
>>flanbi+F4
The green screen issue is covered by warranty, so get your display swapped at an official repair store. The new ones don't have the green screen issue.
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10. bubble+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:25:21
>>flanbi+F4
You need to manage your expectations with Pixel devices. They are often on sale. Buy the A series for ~$300, which is also what the Nexus phones used to be priced at. They easily last 3+ years, and if they die after that it's no big deal. Dying early, bootlooping, overheating, etc. have been a part of these devices since they have existed.
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11. DaSHac+Z8[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:25:35
>>throaw+h6
Glad to hear, that was my immediate worry upon seeing the thread.
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12. lipowi+Ya[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:47:25
>>bubble+W8
They've raised the prices so one is looking at a 1 year old a-series to pay $300. Meanwhile they are even further behind the curve hardware wise.

It would be very nice (but a tremendous effort) if Graphene OS took this opportunity to switch hardware preference right before Google's August release. Maybe to someone who could make a modern tablet too.

13. vbezhe+eb[view] [source] 2025-06-12 08:49:05
>>pzo+(OP)
I tried to switch from iPhone to Pixel and switched back. Modern Pixel is absolutely not clean android. It's a mess of misfeatures. There's no clean android. iPhone is lean and compact compared to Android. GrapheneOS is solid, but built by security freaks, so unless you're a fan of OpenBSD, it makes little sense to use it. And any custom ROM locks you out of many important apps, like banks apps, NFC payments, etc (unless you want to actively combat integrity system).
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14. morjom+sc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:05:25
>>vbezhe+eb
"Security freaks"

"OpenBSD"

"Locks you out of many important apps ... (Unless you want to combat integrity system)"

When did you try to switch?

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15. lipowi+qe[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:26:19
>>vbezhe+eb
I don't see what OpenBSD has to do with it. Is this like liking reliability in a car meaning you are a Toyota fan?

I've had no trouble with banks, brokers or payment networks on GrapheneOS but I don't use crap like company-X pay wallets..

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16. subscr+Of[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:41:18
>>nixass+24
Sadly it's also only reasonably secure Android phone :(
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17. alfied+uh[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 10:02:17
>>bubble+W8
The worst but I’ve ever had with early Android was they never kept time properly! Set an alarm to wake you up, and when you eventually woke up, clock skew was out over an hour!
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18. ThatMe+Gn[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 11:02:15
>>bubble+W8
I use my monitors, TVs, PC hardware for 10 years+. Things dying after 3 years is a big fucking deal. WTF is wrong with you.
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19. bubble+Jo[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 11:10:44
>>ThatMe+Gn
The software also used to be supported for only that long. Support cycles have been getting longer, but so has the price. Batteries also die in a few years.
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20. vbezhe+sr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 11:33:17
>>morjom+sc
Last month.
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21. jacoop+6t[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 11:45:33
>>nixass+24
I truly hate how crappy their processors are, it's insane that their upcoming flagship will have the same performance as a three year old flagship.

you don't need it, it's just a phone. Yeah maybe now, but in two years when the pixel is shitting itself you will understand.

If GrapheneOS dies, that's probably it for me with pixels. The only advantage left is how cheap you can get a new flagship pixel on the gray market.

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22. vbezhe+UD[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 12:52:59
>>lipowi+qe
GrapheneOS is not just AOSP rebuild. They do an astonishing amount of work to harden Android. They have a lot of security and privacy-related features. They built a custom layer over Google Services to contain them.

I admire this effort. However I don't care that much about my privacy and I don't care about extended security. All I want is a basic Android system without any of added apps, without any AI. I want the most basic apps for phone, SMS, camera. And I want working Google Play to install some additional apps. I want OS focused around this goal. Not OS focused around extended security or privacy.

So it's like suggesting to buy M1 Abrams instead of Toyota Land Cruiser.

I'm embracing ascetic computing. I'm using Arch Linux with bare minimum of apps for my desktop. And I wanted to do the same for my smartphone. Pixel is incredibly bloated. I spent few days just navigating its maze of settings, trying to disable them all. At this point, I'm back to my old iPhone, which at least allows me to uninstall almost every single app and old enough, so it does not support Apple Intelligence (thank, god).

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23. belowa+QF[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 13:03:34
>>input_+y3
this is not true at all. the 1yr old OP12 has LineageOS and so does the 6 months old 13R, with support for the 13 incoming.
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24. lipowi+AG[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 13:09:08
>>vbezhe+UD
It takes a lot of work for them to push google apps into its own permissions system etc, but its not like you feel that as a user..

Its similar to what the Linux distributions that try to turn on a SeLinux like profile by default would feel like if they really put in the work. That's nothing like switching (from a Linux) to a BSD.

(I would love to just run my desktop Linux with a half baked touch UI and rely on browser versions of almost everything, but that would feel like a real switch between OSes instead of just seeing the same OS with a corrected security profile as the user. I also don't see why you compare it to an Abrams, I doubt an Abrams has a security model intentionally compromised by an ad company, GrapheneOS just makes it possible to catch the dumbest or laziest attacks on a system no one should run ever.)

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25. microt+IL[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 13:39:55
>>bubble+Jo
There are many people who use 5 year old or older iPhones. My dad uses an iPhone 12 (2020), my mum an iPhone 11 (2019), someone else in my family still uses an XS (2018). In one of these cases a dying battery was replaced (which is still much cheaper than a new phone). They all still work very well and fast.

Also a lot of folks around still sporting Samsun S20 (though they should probably ditch them now due to the lack of security updates).

Getting only 2-3 years of life is very bad for most people.

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26. g-b-r+1V[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 14:32:42
>>jacoop+6t
The Pixel 10 ought to have a TSMC SoC (https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386)
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27. pzo+rV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 14:34:44
>>belowa+QF
I see only oneplus 11 in the officially supported phones list. I'm not interested in unofficial port - in the era of SGS2 I played many custom unofficial rooms but this days I don't have time for it
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28. jlokie+A22[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 20:07:30
>>flanbi+F4
Fwiw, I've had a similar screen issue (turned green or magenta and glitchy, parts of the screen image disappearing, until one day it turned black) happen with two Samsung phones.
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