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1. toyg+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-05-27 15:49:31
Well, one side of the struggle has all the means and time to find this better path. Are they doing that? No. So why should the weaker, poorer side do it ...?
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2. roenxi+5Z[view] [source] 2025-05-28 00:46:15
>>toyg+(OP)
... because if you identify your opponents as making mistakes/behaving poorly it is a mistake to copy them.

If your argument is basically assuming "[these people] managed the situation so stupidly they triggered a social collapse" then it is an excellent strategy to try doing things differently. The aim should be to make things better, not worse with different people in charge.

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3. toyg+kG4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-29 13:47:24
>>roenxi+5Z
But the poor side does not have any margins or resources, they don't have a choice as such. The only thing they can do is force the powerful to change course, by showing them what happens if they don't.
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4. roenxi+OK4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-29 14:17:40
>>toyg+kG4
> ...by showing them what happens if they don't.

So do the poor not have any resources, or do they have sufficient resources to bully the rich? Because if they have enough resources to cause other people problems they should maybe consider trying to use those resources to better themselves instead.

They don't have much, but they have more than enough to get much better results if they behaved in a sensible and organised fashion. If nothing else, a lot of poor people live in democracies and have the numbers to ram policy through if they have enough neurons to separate good ideas from bad [0]. I suppose it depends on what you want to call poor, but if they've got the numbers, time and energy to wreck things then they've certainly got the numbers to effect positive change.

I'd agree most people probably aren't up to the challenge; but searching for a better way is a much better strategy than being all "we're going for a replay of la Terreur!".

[0] The political process is pretty devastating evidence that they don't, it appears the best effort in a well educated place like the US was either Trump or the US Democrats. Hard to tell which attempt is more pathetic. Most voters have nearly no idea abut complex issues like creating prosperity.

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5. immibi+0Z4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-29 15:50:28
>>roenxi+OK4
The poor can sacrifice their lives to get back at the rich. This happens if the rich make things so bad the poor decide their lives have zero or negative value. This happens often throughout history.
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6. toyg+kV6[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-30 10:28:26
>>roenxi+OK4
If you think the US is "well-educated" or that their electoral process is "the best effort", I'm afraid there is a lot more stuff you need to read about political systems and the reality of class before you can pass judgement.

The US political system works like the ruling classes want it to work, no more and no less. The poor are simply performing some choreography.

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