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It’s not 20, it’s 200+. And that will only get more expensive.

>>dttze+(OP)
Again I don't know what people mean when they say it will get more expensive. This is a wrong way of looking at the issue.

Pretty sure cars are more expensive than horse carriage, or that iPhones are/were more expensive than button phones. You can cite so many such examples. Like photocopying machines, or cameras, or wrist watches, or even things like radio, television etc.

More importantly, sometimes how you do things change. And that changes how you go about your life in a very fundamental way.

That is what internet was about when it first came out, thats what internet search, online maps, or search etc etc were.

AI will change how you go about living your life, in a very fundamental way.

>>kamaal+R
This isn’t like those things. You’re comparing physical goods to a token generator.

LLMs are being made into another rental extraction system and should be viewed as such.

>>kamaal+R
The worry, that is borne out by the pricing of Uber, isn't that LLMs are more expensive than the generation before, but that it's a VC play. Get into market, undercut your competitors until they go bust, then raiser prices. Ubers used to be $1, which was obviously totally unsustainable. Now Uber's only competing platform is Lyft, and Uber is making money as of their latest quarter. Ubers are not at least $10 if not $50 $100. ChatGPT's $20/month looks like $1 Ubers to some. Only insiders know how much it actually costs OpenAI to support ChatGPT users. I will note, however, that GitHub free private repos are supported by corporations paying for their own private GitHub, so it's unclear that ChatGPT's $20/month ever has to be raised with enough $200 or $2,000 or $20,000/month users.

>>kamaal+R
> Pretty sure cars are more expensive than horse carriage

Basic car ownership can be quite a bit cheaper than a horse + carriage.

The horse will probably eat $10-20/day in food. $600/mo in just food costs. Not including vet bills and what not.

A decent and cheap horse will probably cost you $3k up front. Add in several thousand dollars more for the carriage.

A horse requires practically daily maintenance. A carriage will still require some maintenance.

A horse requires a good bit more land, plus the space to store the carriage. Plus, all the extra time and work mounting and unmounting your horse whenever you need to go.

A horse and carriage isn't really cheaper than a cheap car and way less functional.

>>vel0ci+Xi
Theres a 3 point way to say this. Usually technology: * More efficient * Higher Quality * Less effort

Most successful technologies provide multiple of these benefits. What is terrible, and the direction we are going right now, is that these new systems (or offshoring like we are talking about here) seem/are "Less Effort" but do not hit the other two axioms. This is a very dangerous place to be.

People would rather be lazy than roll their sleeves up and focus, especially in our attention diverting world.

>>dttze+m4
Physical goods are being converted into a rent extraction system too.

https://grocerynerd.substack.com/p/grocery-update-17-how-gro...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s...