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1. slashd+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-05-13 22:34:32
I agree, this is makes no sense at all.

Can I take the other side of this investment? Like an angel funding round, but selling short?

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2. debate+z1[view] [source] 2025-05-13 22:45:00
>>slashd+(OP)
If you figure out how to do this I will invest in your fund.
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3. jshear+Q3[view] [source] 2025-05-13 23:00:16
>>slashd+(OP)
I think the other side of this is just buying Amazon stock based on the daring prediction that big grey buildings full of servers aren't going anywhere.
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4. echoan+w6[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-13 23:16:42
>>jshear+Q3
That still leaves you with the risk that Amazon is replaced by other earth-based data center operators.
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5. rjbwor+s7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-13 23:22:38
>>debate+z1
Gotta figure out how to sell these guys shovels
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6. Cobras+v7[view] [source] 2025-05-13 23:23:08
>>slashd+(OP)
You know, that's a fascinating idea. Most startups fail, a few modestly succeed, but the unicorns are so profitable that they mostly make up for the rest. That reminds me of two fields: insurance and gambling.

Venture Capitalists are already like reverse insurance companies. They cover lots of people in the hopes that one of them will hit a rare event and it'll pay for the others.

Buying shares of a single startup is sort of the equivalent of betting on a specific horse to win a race. But what's the equivalent of lay betting (betting that a specific horse will NOT win)? Shorting? But you can't short a private company.

But wait, venture capitalists are already betting that their startups will make money. What if they were willing to double down a bit and accept lay bets? Say there was a kind of specialized short agreement that let you say "here is $x, if in N years company Y has less than $z profit/revenue, I get K*$x. Otherwise, VC gets to keep my $x." You could sell it to VCs as a way to do options trading on their own startup investments, plus it'd be a good way to get the wisdom of the crowds or whatever.

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7. rogerr+o8[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-13 23:29:40
>>rjbwor+s7
If someone figured out how to provide a way to bet against startups… could we say they’re selling grave shovels?
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8. echelo+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-13 23:33:32
>>debate+z1
A futures market for startup equity where you can short sell would be wild.

Otherwise when the big firms go public (A16Z etc.), options trading on their stock.

9. lionko+x9[view] [source] 2025-05-13 23:39:07
>>slashd+(OP)
The SSI fund - shorting shit ideas since 2025.
10. lionko+D9[view] [source] 2025-05-13 23:40:29
>>slashd+(OP)
Wait, I just realized - you do this by pitching your own shit idea. That's the other side of the investment!
11. morale+Ub[view] [source] 2025-05-13 23:59:46
>>slashd+(OP)
I've been saying this as a joke for a while (IMHO I think Perplexity is a scam).

I really wish there was a secondary for private equity.

12. thenat+0c[view] [source] 2025-05-14 00:00:35
>>slashd+(OP)
You obv. can't cause that would be a considerably easier and hence not a payoff worthy bet than the inverse of picking winners from an aspiring group of people trying to do something new in the world.

For all the financial inefficiencies of that - objectively - we get to benefit as humanity from the (expensive) mistakes of others.

So here's to whatever this is leading to much better insights about computing in space at best!

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13. vrosas+6e[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-14 00:18:57
>>echoan+w6
Maybe you could buy small lots of a bunch of different data center companies to hedge your risk!
14. chasea+Ve[view] [source] 2025-05-14 00:27:41
>>slashd+(OP)
Start a market on Polymarket that they go bankrupt in X years?
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15. toomuc+wg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-14 00:46:33
>>jshear+Q3
Datacenter REITs.

(not investing advice)

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