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1. tambou+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-04-30 16:07:29
> This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over

You can disable autoplay at https://www.youtube.com/account_playback, then uncheck "Video previews". It resets itself every 15 days or so, but at least one can have some peace in the meantime.

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2. Levita+G[view] [source] 2025-04-30 16:10:20
>>tambou+(OP)
> It resets itself every 15 days or so

Are you saying that YouTube just alters your preferences?

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3. PaulHo+m1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:13:06
>>Levita+G
It seems to do that all the time. Try hiding YouTube shorts and they just come back.
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4. tambou+a2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:15:37
>>Levita+G
If you are not being sarcastic, yes, it happens all the time. Probably to maximize whatever metric they're measuring.

I'm fearing the day they'll just remove that toggle for good.

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5. bunder+83[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:19:44
>>Levita+G
Constantly. They also keep resetting the settings to not show shorts or video games in the feed.

I suspect that the managers in charge of some of these features are lobbying for it as a way to artificially increase the engagement stats for their features, but spinning it as actually being good UX instead of a user-hostile move because it's important for "discoverability" or something like that.

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6. OtherS+k3[view] [source] 2025-04-30 16:20:17
>>tambou+(OP)
You can also set this in your browser with the _reduce motion_ parameter.

Absolutely no sites, including YouTube, honour the parameter. But you can at least tell the site that you'd prefer it another way.

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7. hackyh+t3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:20:51
>>Levita+G
> Are you saying that YouTube just alters your preferences?

My preferences change all the time, regardless of Youtube. For example, when I was a kid, I hated mustard.

On the other hand, my Youtube configuration may change independent of my actions.

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8. nobody+u3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:20:54
>>PaulHo+m1
If you turn off watch history it completely disables shorts as a whole (with no recommendations on the homepage as a side effect, but one I'm willing to live with). >>42795204
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9. eatbit+n4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:24:08
>>Levita+G
Many websites do this. Facebook resets your feed sorting preferences, as does LinkedIn (sort by Recent, then refresh the page, it will be Top again).
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10. mubou+A5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:29:53
>>OtherS+k3
> You can also set this in your browser with the _reduce motion_ parameter.

Unfortunately there's no way to set this per-site, at least in Chrome. Similarly, if you disable animations in Windows, you also disable all animations and transitions in websites that support prefers-reduced-motion, causing some sites to feel janky as a result.

They really need to add a per-site toggle for that, and a browser-level option to ignore the OS' setting. Turning off animations in Word shouldn't turn them off in Google Calendar.

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11. nullc+Wc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:58:35
>>nobody+u3
The no recommendations at all sure feels like malicious compliance with California privacy law.

Even while pretending they've not recorded your viewing history they could still make recommendations from your subscriptions or give you the same glurg that they give viewers they know nothing about... but instead they break the site.

It's still better than having shorts on the screen.

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12. shrx+5d[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 16:59:28
>>bunder+83
First it was "hide shorts".

Then it was "hide shorts for X days" (I think 30?).

Now it is "show fewer shorts".

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13. OJFord+ze[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 17:07:48
>>nullc+Wc
Yup yup yup. If you actually care about recommending things I'll want to watch, my subscriptions list is the strongest signal there is anyway, surely!
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14. delect+We[view] [source] 2025-04-30 17:09:26
>>tambou+(OP)
That setting can be fairly sticky. Mine has stayed off since I initially disabled it, shortly after they added the "feature". I have no idea why it's not sticky for you. Maybe they fuck with me less because I have premium?
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15. Agingc+zg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 17:18:41
>>nobody+u3
This is what I’ve done - YouTube is a much better place now.
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16. xp84+Qp[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:04:47
>>OJFord+ze
The word "want" is the key there -- they have zero interest in what you 'want' to watch, they have every interest in what will compel you to watch for the longest time! Maybe a certain person wants to watch a few 2-minute cute cat videos, and subscribe to those exclusively. But research showed Google that those people's watch minutes per day can be tripled if you fill their homepage with "Trump did WHAT?" videos (or whatever effectively baits their rage, makes them more afraid, or stokes some addiction or anxiety).
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17. walt_g+zq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:07:54
>>eatbit+n4
I used to have a cronjob to change them to what I want daily. Only worked for sites with an API, but was better than the user hostile "we know your preferences better than you" garbage.
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18. cobbau+dr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:11:27
>>shrx+5d
There is an 'unhook' add-on for Firefox that blocks all shorts forever. Highly recommended.
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19. PaulHo+Jr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:14:28
>>xp84+Qp
Short term yes, but long term it turns people away from YouTube.

A year ago, I had a serious YouTube habit, once I replaced my trash Jellyfin server with a Plex server I can listen to my music collection on my phone anywhere… so no more music from YouTube. I got tired of asmongold and all his imitator gaming YouTubers, fell out of the habit of watching Ukraine warbloggers, etc. I saw other people who got into toxic rabbit holes in YouTube so bad that they decided to physically destroy their computers…

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20. jeffhu+Xs[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:20:31
>>tambou+a2
> I'm fearing the day they'll just remove that toggle for good.

Don't. Nowadays we can just re-introduce it, at least all who read this. iOS, macOS, Windows, Android... All have browser extensions, all can be modified.

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21. Rankin+Fu[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:31:19
>>Levita+G
See also: Spotify's "repeat" functionality. I turn it off whenever I see it on, but somehow it's always back on within a few days.
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22. 472828+8v[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:34:24
>>mubou+A5
Firefox: open about:config and add ui.prefersReducedMotion as a Number and set it to 0 (no) or 1 (yes) to override the OS setting.

Chrome: command line switch:

--force-prefers-reduced-motion --force-prefers-no-reduced-motion

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23. mubou+Xv[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 18:39:09
>>472828+8v
Ohh!! Thanks so much for this, I greatly appreciate it.
24. tredre+ix[view] [source] 2025-04-30 18:49:15
>>tambou+(OP)
> It resets itself every 15 days or so, but at least one can have some peace in the meantime.

It's also just stored in a cookie/session, so you have to do it in each client and every time you wipe your cookies. Very frustrating.

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25. lolind+kA[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 19:07:21
>>delect+We
I don't have premium and it's sticky for me but only on a single computer, I have to reset it if I switch computers or browsers. Same with dark mode. So maybe it's stored as a cookie and they wipe their cookies?
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26. mattgr+pD[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 19:25:44
>>nobody+u3
I love how passive aggressive the home page becomes: it momentarily displays a grid of thumbnails, then erases them and says, "Your watch history is off. You can change your setting at any time to get the latest videos tailored to you" with a button to do that.
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27. wpm+ZK[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 20:08:06
>>lolind+kA
Yes, it's stored client-side in a cookie.

Surely you don't expect YouTube, a company that doesn't store any data at all actually, to be able to store a single boolean value somewhere in your account, do you? This would be impossible for a company as broke and small as YouTube.

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28. al_bor+jO[view] [source] 2025-04-30 20:28:16
>>tambou+(OP)
> It resets itself every 15 days or so

This is unacceptable to me. I've turned this setting off more times than I care to count. I've submitted feedback a couple times as well. I don't remember doing it lately, which is good. But I should have only ever had to do it once. I have a Google account, there is no reason this setting shouldn't be saved with my accounts, synced to all my devices, and only set once. I pay for YouTube Premium; I shouldn't be subjected to all these tactics which I assume are there to increase engagement and watch time. The price I pay is fixed and they don't earn ad revenue off me... why the games?

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29. hbn+9P[view] [source] 2025-04-30 20:33:20
>>tambou+(OP)
I set that a long time ago and it never disabled. Maybe something with your browser?
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30. driver+WT[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 21:03:09
>>Levita+G
In addition to what others said, they gaslight users by regularly resetting blocked accounts from recommendations. They also lose your play history after a while and start showing old videos you've watched as never been viewed.
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31. acaloi+uW[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 21:20:10
>>shrx+5d
Those who disable watch history probably know this, but others probably don't -- when you disable watch history your "subscriptions" page effectively becomes your home page. And on your subscriptions page, shorts cannot be removed like on the actual home page. So if you disable watch history, you implicitly must enable shorts.

Like a relative commentor said -- a product manager on the "Shorts" team is doing a helluva job boosting their team's stats.

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32. mrguyo+sX[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 21:24:50
>>PaulHo+Jr
Gambling has been around forever. Hyper aggressive slot machines do nothing to dissuade addicts, and dark patterns on the web are the same. They are trying to build addiction, and addiction doesn't care that something hurts to do, you need it.

The few of us who go "ew" and recoil are vastly outnumbered by the billions who just watch.

Every complaint about ads on youtube is someone who can't even be bothered to download an adblocker before Chrome killed it. It was one click, but that didn't dissuade the vast majority of eyeballs.

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33. malfis+U91[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 22:57:34
>>wpm+ZK
YouTube is a small and scrapy startup. Sometimes they have to move fast and break things
34. fuzzte+La1[view] [source] 2025-04-30 23:04:41
>>tambou+(OP)
I too found that my auto play setting was ignored. this is in the YT app.
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35. nullc+Kb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 23:11:48
>>OJFord+ze
If they give you want you want you might just enjoy it and leave satisfied. They don't want you to leave, what you want is largely immaterial except as an input to the machine designed to brainwash you into staying.
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36. fuzzte+Pb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 23:12:51
>>Levita+G
not op, but have seen the same.

this is quite bad behaviour.

they should not sneakily change our preferences behind the backs. similarly, all notifications, advertisements, et cetera, should be opt in, not opt out.

many of these cos. do this sort of thing, of course.

they excuse it under the protect of company policy.

Google the ant letter as an example.

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37. fuzzte+Gc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 23:18:54
>>PaulHo+Jr
>Short term yes, but long term it turns people away from YouTube

for some people, like me, for example, it turns them away even in the short term, and also in the permanent term, so to speak ha ha, not only in/after the long term.

because, you know, we know our rights and likes. and we wrong and dislike people who disrespect them! :) choice of rhyming words used for effect, but the point is also true.

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38. Macha+3f1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-30 23:39:08
>>shrx+5d
I resorted to a custom ublock origin rule
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39. knome+Al1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 00:36:34
>>wpm+ZK
On the bright side, you could probably write something to just always reset that cookie before loading the site.
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40. pete13+BQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 06:24:35
>>cobbau+dr
Using Unhook for 4 years, I save recommendation using my phone and watch it later on PC.
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41. fuzzte+672[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 09:16:31
>>fuzzte+Pb1
>they excuse it under the protect of company policy.

sorry, pretext, not protect. an autocorrect error.

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42. MaxikC+hN2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 14:10:24
>>cobbau+dr
I wish there was something like this for safari on macos.

Lately the option to disable ambient lighting around video has been reseting to ON for me on every video I open.

I cant even formulate how I feel about that without breaking some rules somewhere

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43. marssa+mk3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 16:32:16
>>eatbit+n4
With Facebook, you can get around this by bookmarking https://www.facebook.com/?sk=h_chr and going there instead. It's worked reliably for years - though there's now so little of value there it hardly matters, I suppose.
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44. autoex+8T3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-01 19:14:29
>>al_bor+jO
> I pay for YouTube Premium

That's your mistake. Never pay someone to remove the same obstacles they've been putting in front of you. It's the definition of racketeering.

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