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1. thecru+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-01-21 22:51:03
"create hundreds of thousands of American jobs"... Given the current educational system in the US, this should be fun to watch. Oh yeah, Musk and his H-1B Visa thing. Now it's making sense.
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2. dwnw+Z5[view] [source] 2025-01-21 23:25:41
>>thecru+(OP)
How many jobs will it net if "successful" and the AI eliminates jobs?
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3. jedber+49[view] [source] 2025-01-21 23:46:20
>>thecru+(OP)
If they're creating that many jobs, it means most of them are construction work.

Skilled labor for sure, but not necessarily college educated.

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4. kortil+y9[view] [source] 2025-01-21 23:49:03
>>thecru+(OP)
Data centers are nearly all blue collar work.
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5. raphma+zd[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 00:17:24
>>jedber+49
How does this work out in the long term? Operating a data center does not require that many blue-collar workers.

I'm imagining a future where the US builds a Tower of Babel from thousands of data centers just to keep people employed and occupied. Maybe also add in some paperclip factories¹?

¹) https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

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6. jedber+Yf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 00:31:52
>>raphma+zd
I doubt these are permanent jobs. This project will create a ton of temporary work though!
7. insane+wh[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:44:24
>>thecru+(OP)
maybe this is to employ the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that are about to lose their jobs?
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8. Fergus+cn[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 01:29:15
>>kortil+y9
If you're familiar with this kind of work, please elaborate!

Do you mean building the centers or maintenance or both?

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9. steven+8w[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 02:27:20
>>dwnw+Z5
This is what the 2024 Nobel prize winners in economics call "creative destruction" to repeat from their book Why Nations Fail. They really did not have a lot of sympathy for those they lumped in with Luddites who were collateral damage to progress.
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10. kortil+S01[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 07:26:59
>>Fergus+cn
Both. It’s a lot of electrical work, hvac work (think ducting, plumbing, more electric). Tons of concrete work.

Once you have one working design for the environment (e.g. hot desert vs cold and humid), you can stamp the things out with minimal variation between the two.

The maintenance of all of that supporting infrastructure is the standard blue collar work the same.

The only new blue collar job on the maintenance side is responding to hardware issues. What this entails depends on if it’s a colo center and you’re doing “remote hands” for a customer where you’re swapping a PSU, RAM, or whatever. You also install new servers, switches, etc.

As you move up into hyperscalers the logistics vary because some designs make servicing a single server in place not worth cooling the whole hot aisle (Google runs really hot hot aisles that weren’t human friendly). So sometimes you just yank the server and throw it in a cart or wait for the whole rack to fail and pull it then.

Overall though, anything that can be done remotely is. So the data center techs do very little work on the keyboard

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11. everfr+cf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 09:40:19
>>kortil+S01
The OCP server/rack designs the hyperscalers use do all servicing from the cold aisle only.
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12. azemet+TP2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 20:22:39
>>raphma+zd
It's just lies they use to sell the idea that these profit driven corporations should be given massive amounts of money at the expense of the commons and public.

It's no different than sports stadiums selling the same idea to local governments:

"We'll create jobs."

"Mostly low quality jobs with poor benefits and minimum wages."

This is no different.

Whenever you hear about job claims you should be asking what quality of jobs?

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