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Now imagine that is what you mostly hear "straight cis white men" are "selfish cruel hypocrites" over and over again.

>>worthl+(OP)
We are recreating the "not all men" argument here, except hyper-specialized to "not all straight white cis men."

And so, in the spirit of that argument, sure, maybe not all straight white cis men are a problem, but ENOUGH of us are that we should be paying attention to see if we're unknowingly part of the problem, or even better if we can help at all to improve things.

Hopefully in another couple decades we can revisit this topic, only specialized down another couple adjectives. =)

>>DanHul+f4
> We are recreating the "not all men" argument here, except hyper-specialized to "not all straight white cis men."

We absolutely are.

I think that in itself is the problem, you dont need to be cis, white or male to be the problem, its just a group that is the target of choice.

Targeting straight white men this way isnt going to be the solution to the problem, especially those that are the problem. I don't have a good solution to this but pouncing on a large group for the actions of a few isnt a great idea.

If they want to radicalize a group, this is a great way to go about it.

>>DanHul+f4
Cis white male covers a very broad spectrum of people from very different economic, ethnic and social backgrounds.

Labelling an entire race (noting caveat above) of people as problematic is not a traditional progressive worldview and in my opinion that this view is being promoted in modern progressive politics has contributed to a large proportion of traditional progressives feeling politically stranded.

>>worthl+(OP)
Where are you hearing this over and over again?

Are you seeking this out or consuming algorithmic media that sends it to you to make you mad and get you hooked?

I'm in that demographic and do not recognize this at all. From my perspective this sounds paranoid bordering on mental illness.

>>ZeroGr+ZC
Everything can look like mental illness if you look hard enough.

>>ZeroGr+ZC
Notice how you tried to force your opinion by insinuating that the person feeling this way is mentally ill? A large chunk of the comments in this thread are saying that’s part of the problem.

>>antihi+Vp
It also makes people like me completely shut down any reasonable discourse. Focus on specific behaviors and don’t try to solve racism with more racism.

>>worthl+(OP)
Hi, permanent victim.

>>steele+5Z2
Hi assumption.

>>DanHul+f4
Not all men is a sensible argument because it condemns generalization, a foundational principle of humanism.

There is no spirit of argument, your axioms are lacking. Either you can form an argument without generalization or it is very weak. That is mostly the gist of the criticism of contemporary progressive arguments.

Especially on the topic of racism it is paramount to stay precise in your wording and especially if your own policies circle around changes in language.

And if your argument gets the basics wrong, you should not wonder about any headwind and no, these arguments cannot form a revisited civil rights movement.

>>tekkni+0t2
This tactic is so common that its no longer effective. It is water off a ducks back.

I think that a lot of people see their own flaws in others, they assume that everyone else has the same perspective or is damaged.

There is little point to putting thought into a responses because of how twisted their view is.

Others can try, I work on more productive things.